10 or 12 point Roll Cage

[BlackJack]

anyone know what would be the closest fit for a late N-body (alero), in a roll cage offered in a pre-made kit? Summit/Jegs both offer a wide variety of cages, but none for mine. I was thinking a Vega/Monza kit would probably be a closer fit than a camaro.....opinions?

*edited......oh yeah, mine's a 4-dr also, but I'm fitting it with swing-out door bars at all 4 doors.

[sharkey]

um, why exactly do you need a cage in an alero??? what are you doing with this car???

check with the rules you are running. likley, you would need a 6 point cage at most. and you wouldnt need door bars in the rear, they arent required by any ruling i know of.

[BlackJack]

good point about the bars in the rear.

as far as rules, I believe a 10 point is required for 10.99 and quicker. I may be mistaken though.

[firechiken]

A ten second Alero? In the quarter? What you running?

[BlackJack]

I'll go ahead and tell you, it's a 3400/4t65 combo, which will be followed by lots of laughter, etc....but I'm not here to talk mad shit, I seriously want to give it an effort. If ZZP/Stattama can make 9's with their larger body Gran Prix 3800 TT, I think there's hope. And yeah, I know there's ALOT involved in doing it. Money, time, engineering, etc.

Sorry, I dont mean to sound cross, but I hear it all day long from people on other forums about what is not possible, etc....but that's not going to stop me from trying.

[El_Diablo]

damn, i didn't know you were shooting that low
















i want a ride

[Guest]

The H-body is very narrow compared to the N-body.

Best bet, contact some manufacturers and talk to thier tech guys, explain the car you have and see if they can match up something for you......

I can pretty much garuntee you'll be onto something custom though.

BTW guys, the pics I have seen of this Alero, look good, be nothing on my 'Bu when I'm done though, :P

[BlackJack]

yeah, I already had a quote for a locally built custom. Was going to run 700 bones and up. I just figured I could put the extra money into the transmission rather than waste it if there was a less expensive method. I have people all over the place that will weld for me, so I figured minor modification to a prebuilt kit would be more cost effective.

[sharkey]

well, it realy depends on how much it needs to be changed. in the end, if there is to much that needs changing, it may end up costing more.

reason i asked you what you were doing with the car was cause there isnt to many people on forums that are trying to build 10 second fwd cars.

[BlackJack]

sorry sharkey. I was just bracing for the usual assault of "no-way" and "it will never happen", etc.

you make a good point of too much modifying and we're right back in the same boat as full custom. I did however find someone that's already done it, same N-body platform, but RWD converted (not just a body set on a A or F chassis). These guys make/sell the full front and rear subframe conversions. I think it's going to be the same interior specs though, so I shot them an email.

[BlackJack]

I forgot about your other question of what I'm doing with it.

So far turbo, "stage 3" heads/intakes (I hate using the term "stage") is all I have on hand. Tranny is going to be similar to ZZP's setup, but I may end up going more GM's sponsored 4t65 they have in the sunfire/cavalier, one runs 600hp, the other 1000hp. I wont be getting that dramatic though, they did stuff like 4th gear delete, and some other stuff I can do without.

Engine is staying stock bottom-end, getting cammed, double roller timing chain, and all-out on the top end this season, and going fully built bottom end over the coming winter for next season, with custom Ross pistons, modified Eagle H-beams, crank, etc.

[Guest]

That pic is from that guy just outside of Cayuga Ontario Canada, right?

Yeah his stuff is decent, but pricey and kinda dated. Also, it's not so much a conversion, but a whole new chassis stuffed under the N-body. Has to be, the chassis has to pass cert, and will not without basically being a whole new chassis.

[RebelGT]

where do you live, your best bet is to have on custom made.

[BlackJack]

already checked into that before this post, which is what led me this route to modding a kit.

out of 5 automotive related welding shops, 4 were too chickenshit to tackle a cage that needed certification, but would do it if it was just for show. The last one, quoted me $700 minimum, and upwards if it took more than what he expected. This is while looking at the car and having a good idea of what it would take.

[firechiken]

Wasn't going there at all, dude, just wondering what you were up to!