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[imported_germ]

*note, this thread is split from another thread in which it wasn't really helping the original poster*

lol....


wow, i try to be civil...

here is a good read of how "mean i am" and how i "bashed ben", ... http://www.60degreev6.com/index.php?...268&highlight=

ben-

show me exactly where i said this... "Germ is the owner of DPP and he has expressed boldly that my porting doesn't do any better than a basic port match for the intake manifolds."

as for RSM flow #'s, well, those are RSM's #'s, not DPP's. you cannot compare RSM to DPP's work.

as for OBD2 tuning, i swear i have mentioned this 1 million times now, DHP does provide PCM's to ALL 1996+ GM V6'S, and you can order them from DPP. they have been doing 3100 and 3400 PCM's for at least 2 years, hell, i was the first 3100 96 PCM tuned by DHP, at his house, in his garage.


ben, im so glad that you have such strong feelings for DPP and myself and my products, im glad i get your panties all in a bunch... i really like you too

[SappySE107]

As was the issue with that other thread, you imply that I say things that I didn't. I don't need to worry about what you cannot compare with really. When you have flow specs and cc your ports, ill "get my panties in a bunch". As for the original poster of this thread, I would assume they don't care about the pissing contest you like to bring to this board.

[imported_germ]

hahaha, pissing match my ass


i could care less how you do your own business or how good or bad you do it.

i offer a low cost and proven alternitive, thats it.

i have never claimed that my stuff will out flow others, nor have i EVER bashed your work.


if i were to go and get crazy and have every set flowed my prices would reflect that, however i dont so i can keep the cost low.

im the guy people with a budget orders from. it works, thats all that matters to me. and evidently with the amount of orders ive been getting, its obvious im doing something right.



ben, if you want me to port an exhaust port and intake port on a head and send it to you, i would be more than happy to let you flow them as long as your going to be fair and honest. hell, i would even send you a set of intakes. do you even have your flow bench set up yet to even compare?

[Juglenaut]

I run a service... Making kids toys more quiet! Save them little ears.

[SappySE107]

Yes, this isn't helping the original poster, but I don't see him replying with what he wants to do with the car exactly or how in depth he wishes to get (would be important to actually give good advise other than the real basic stuff). My reply is for this.

"ben, if you want me to port an exhaust port and intake port on a head and send it to you, i would be more than happy to let you flow them as long as your going to be fair and honest. "

I take great offense to this. I wasn't aware that anyone thought that I was unfair or dishonest with my business. Please, if you have a reason for saying this, let me know. Otherwise, please retract your statement as it doesn't look very good for me, and without merit, it doesn't look good for you.

[imported_germ]

i will not retract any statement i make.

i said that due to the fact that you are "competition" and you are offended by that, well, i dont know what to tell you but to suck it up and drive on because i wont change what i say or how i feel. and i dont have to have merit to make a statement, i have over 2 years of you trying to shit on me, so i may not have merit to say that, but i sure as hell have the right to say it.

would you openly send RSM, APOC, SA, Milzy, or myself anything and not worry is they will be tested objectively? thats my point.

do i care what the results of a test would be? of course. am i going to loose sleep at night without them? nope. do i trust anyone, especially someone that has done nothing but give me a hard time for how long now? nope. do i THINK you'll be honest if i sent you something? i dont know, i dont know you personally to judge your character, just the same as you would with me.

at least i offered to let you test them.


seriously ben, i have absolutely nothing against you or brad or this site or your store or anyone here. however, i will not stop saying that this site is very opinionated and "clique'ish" and at time its almost nausiating especially when new ideas or thoughts are posted and then "core" group of people here attack the poster for having an idea, good or bad.

i have never claimed to know more than you or anyone else about porting. i only know what i have read and experienced. did i go to school for this? of course not, i wear a suit to work and sit in an office and have a desk. i do this as a hobby for FUN. i only know that what i do works, and works well enough to make gains in HP and the 1/4 which have been proven.

other than you trying to learn how to work your flow bench and showing flow gains, what hp and 1/4 gains can you claim?

[torq455]

yeah, i thinks it's mostly my fault. i lost track of what the origional post was all about. but like you said Ben, he's not saying much.

I was just wondering why someone would send their work to the "competition" to flow their heads instead of an independent source in hopes that the "competition" will be honest.

[X11_STE]

and i dont have to have merit to make a statement, i have over 2 years of you trying to shit on me, so i may not have merit to say that, but i sure as hell have the right to say it.

Here's my 2 cents worth. Dont have to have merit? OK, so in basic english, this translates into "I can say anything I want and dont need facts to back it up and in doing so I am basicly spouting bullshit and wasting bandwith and doing a hell of a job hi-jacking threads that might otherwise actually be helpful" And if this is the case, I have 4 words for you "SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!! You desreve a good I have followed this thread since it started and Ben has been nothing but professional whereas you've been an ass that can do nothing but spew venom and TRY to give the site a black eye for someone who's looking for help. I am offended by this, dude!!! Now, just for the recond: Ben and I DONT always agree on things (he likes the 3400, I prefer the 2. but we both have enough respect for each other to not go hi-jacking threads. We also respect each other enough to keep our comments professional and factual. And we have never met.
Yo, respond if you want, but really you cant 'cuz I've done said everything that needs to be. Go back to your crib and let us get back to making the site more friendly and helpful.

[torq455]

Here, here!! Agreed. Nothing says you guys have to agree, and I'm surprized Ben even has responded this long. It's time to say fuck it and MOVE ON!!! The horse is dead!! Man, some people!!

[torq455]

hey, who's up for deleting this thread???

[SappySE107]

Brad suggested splitting the thread and I think its a damn good idea.