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  • Heated washer nozzles (W-body)

    I am sick and tired of nozzles freezing up in the winter, so I'm taking it upon myself to install heated nozzles on my 1997 Olds Cutlass Supreme. Now, most W-Body cars, if not all, have those goofy wipers, and the nozzles mounted on the arms.

    This is probably part of the problem in the first place, and creates a challenge. I am opting to remove those nozzles completely, and use a different nozzle in the hood, like most other cars. I found a nice low profile sprayer, too. It sticks up about 1/2", so it's not a big deal like that. If you're anal about it, paint it body color. That's what I'm planning on doing.

    If you're wondering about what nozzle it is, I work at a VW dealer, and the nozzle is from a 2002 VW Eurovan, part number 191-955-986-A, quantity 2. They cost about $12 each, roughly.

    Really, the hardest part will be rerouting the washer lines, and hooking up the electrical portion for the heat. That brings me to my real question. Where should I hook up the electrical stuff at? It's 12v, so that wouldn't be a problem finding it. I'm thinking of a manual switch from an always on source in the fuse panel, so they don't run when they don't need to. Unless I forget. The other option is to use the rear defrost switch as the switch for the heaters. This, of course, requires digging a little to find the wire in the heater control panel. That's where you guys come in! Where do I find that wire, and do you think it'd support a pair of washers? I imagine they are low draw.

    The other thing is that this will require cutting of the hood. I do know that I'll start with a 1/2" x 1" rectangle to cut. Need to determine angle yet, but that shouldn't be a big deal, really. I've got a crappy hood to start with, that needs to be replaced anyways, so I'm not worried about butchering this one too much.

    I just thought I'd share this with you guys, just in case someone else in colder climates wanted to putz with something like this...would make your nozzle search easier at least. I need to get a new washer pump, too, so I'll be able to run new washer hose when I do all that. When it's done, I'll probably put up some pics of the finished product, and probably some of in-process.

    But, for now, I need to know which wire to hook in to the rear defroster switch in the heater control panel. Sorry this is so long, but I'm kind of excited about this...for whatever reason.
    \"NASCAR is an integral part of my life. A part of me died when Dale Earnhardt died.\"

    1997 Olds CS 4-door S/C - 183,527 miles
    1999 Chevrolet Lumina 3100 - Wife took it at 158,340 miles
    1989 Volvo 740GL Wagon 2.3 8v - 232,050 miles

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    RE: Heated washer nozzles (W-body)

    I would hook them up to a manual switch and give them thier own fuse in the power center.

    1995 Monte Carlo LS
    3400 SFI 60v6
    FFP Underdrive Pulley, S&S Headers, LSD, ODBII Swap, DHP

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    • #3
      RE: Heated washer nozzles (W-body)

      Yup, same here. Though I would put them on a manual switch that is also on an ignition on only circuit as well. No clue on a 97 w body as to what wire you could splice into for this. Don't they make fluid that won't freeze?
      Ben
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      • #4
        They do, but I think they forgot about Wisconsin. The air temps haven't been miserable, but wind chills lately have been. I haven't had real good luck with that type of wash. Dunno why.

        Based on what you're saying, then, I should be able to tap in to any ignition on source, install a switch inline with that to turn 'em on and off, and be alright, then, 'eh? I think that'd be the easier thing to do. I don't like electrical work, and running wires, so the less I have to do...the better! Would it be possible somehow to put a timer in on that, too, so if I do forget 'em, it won't be a big deal?
        \"NASCAR is an integral part of my life. A part of me died when Dale Earnhardt died.\"

        1997 Olds CS 4-door S/C - 183,527 miles
        1999 Chevrolet Lumina 3100 - Wife took it at 158,340 miles
        1989 Volvo 740GL Wagon 2.3 8v - 232,050 miles

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        • #5
          if you hook them to a power source that is only on when key on then you wont have too much trouble but you could wire in a timer as well. If you want a really clean install get some weatherpak terminals, connector bodies and tools. Then you can run your wiring through the body connector on the firewall and no have the PITA of running wire throuh the little hole under the brake booster. this will make for a cleaner install.

          Also get a switch with a led on it so you know when its on or off, should help keep you from forgetting about it.

          1995 Monte Carlo LS
          3400 SFI 60v6
          FFP Underdrive Pulley, S&S Headers, LSD, ODBII Swap, DHP

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          • #6
            WTF? Don't you guys use winter washer fluid?

            I've never heard of washer nozzles freezing up. -40C here in the winter plus wind chill.

            Or just take your normal Bug Juice, and spike it with some form of cheap, bulk alcohol.

            Lyle

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            • #7
              Yeah, it's been more of a problem in this car than anything...the way I've got it figured, the GM dealer wants about $25 per nozzle, and I'll give $12 for each of these heated nozzles, that are adjustable, too. Yeah, gotta cut two holes in the hood, but the adjustability will be nice, and the heat option should be, too. I'll have to re-run the entire wash hosing, but that won't be a big deal. Needs a new pump, too.
              \"NASCAR is an integral part of my life. A part of me died when Dale Earnhardt died.\"

              1997 Olds CS 4-door S/C - 183,527 miles
              1999 Chevrolet Lumina 3100 - Wife took it at 158,340 miles
              1989 Volvo 740GL Wagon 2.3 8v - 232,050 miles

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              • #8
                just saw a buick commerical where one of the new standard features is heated washer fluid. with a swtich a heater heats the fluid itself upto 100+ degrees. Great for winter ice. I wonder what it would take to make it work in my car :-)

                1995 Monte Carlo LS
                3400 SFI 60v6
                FFP Underdrive Pulley, S&S Headers, LSD, ODBII Swap, DHP

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                • #9
                  I don't use nozzles on mine washers anymore I just let it squirt in the general direction of my windshield and anyone next to me. So no mine don't freeze anymore not a small enough hole lol.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Manitcor
                    just saw a buick commerical where one of the new standard features is heated washer fluid. with a swtich a heater heats the fluid itself upto 100+ degrees. Great for winter ice. I wonder what it would take to make it work in my car :-)
                    i wonder how long it takes to start a class action suit for cracked windsheilds. everyone should know that pouring warm water on your fronzen windsheild can crack it. ive seen it happen many times, i used to work in a glass shop.

                    ive had problems with my nozzles freezing up too. what happens is moisture builds up during the day and can get into the nozzle. overnite, the water freezes and your nozzle is plugged. doesnt matter if you use winter fluid or not.

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                    • #11
                      with differeint kinds of polymers and nanotech these days I would not be surprised if the buick winshield is something other than standard tempered glass.

                      1995 Monte Carlo LS
                      3400 SFI 60v6
                      FFP Underdrive Pulley, S&S Headers, LSD, ODBII Swap, DHP

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                      • #12
                        A sheet of quality tempered glass without any cracks on it will not break seams when hot water is dumped on it. I dumped hot water a few times on my windshield before when I was in a pinch for time. I wouldn't do it if I had a bad windshield though.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sharkey
                          ive had problems with my nozzles freezing up too. what happens is moisture builds up during the day and can get into the nozzle. overnite, the water freezes and your nozzle is plugged. doesnt matter if you use winter fluid or not.
                          When? I, and everyone I know have been driving in the worst freeze-thaw, cold-ass weather imaginable for as long as I can remember and I've never heard of this. But here, when winter comes we throw in the winter fluid and don't stop until May.

                          Heated washer fluid? Yeah, dumb.



                          Just an example. Because I don't know why this problem exists.

                          Lyle

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Juglenaut
                            A sheet of quality tempered glass without any cracks on it will not break seams when hot water is dumped on it. I dumped hot water a few times on my windshield before when I was in a pinch for time. I wouldn't do it if I had a bad windshield though.
                            Too bad windsheilds are not tempered hey. They are laminated Glass. You will crack it if the heat change is quick enough and the difference in temperature it great enough. You will know a heat crack when you see it. They are often very jaged and shape and change directions quite rapidly. A crack caused by a rock that travels across the windsheild will usually be much straighter and wont make rapid frequent direction changes.
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