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  • Katrina : Thoughts that have been on my mind...

    Anyone want to play the blame game? I don't... But I would like to share some of my thoughts on the recent events and all the media hype.

    First, the initial evacuation. Many people are questioning why we didn't brings buses and planes, and trains, etc to the area to help in the evacuation effort prior to the storm. Where did this even come from? Ever hurricane season, people are told to evacuate (mainly in Florida), and I have yet to ever see any transportation being brought in to evacuate the area. Why would we do it this time if we've never done it before?

    Next, the levee breaches. Although it was talked about prior to it happening, how many people actually thought they were going to breach? As stated from several engineers, the levee system would have had to been fixed many YEARS before now to make it safer. They were designed for a Cat 3 hurricane. So... The Superdome was designed for a Cat 5, and yet it still had severe damage. So who is to say that even if the levees were Cat 5 rated, they would have held? And, there are plenty of previous Republican AND Democratic people would could have (and should have?) fixed this earlier. Money was there, but was used for other projects.

    Response time. I have very mixed feelings on this one. Could they have gotten there sooner? Sure. Should they have gotten there sooner? Maybe not... If we had sent tens of thousands of people into New Orleans as soon as possible, they would have made it before the levee breaches. And if that would have happened, how many more deaths would we be dealing with right now? How many lost supplies would there have been? And, its not like people can instantly be there. Even with a few days advance notice, you still have to move people into the area, mainly by interstate roadways. That takes some time. And you can't expect people to get down there without resting. If they did, they you'd have more issues because of less aware/reactive personnel, which could lead to more deaths.

    The media. First of all, if there was a mandatory evacuation, why is the media allowed to enter the area. This is one thing that really pisses me off. But what pisses me off even more is the people that AREN'T there that are creating stories from the pictures and initial reports from the field. They can always manage to twist the stories to make everything sound so much worse than it actually is. But even if it is that bad, the media 75% (at least!!) of the time focuses on the bad instead of the good. And its that bad that brings on the critizism of the nation.

    Hmm.. what else. No matter how prepared you are, or a "system" is, it is never good enough for the worst case scenario. The Twin Towers were designed to withstand a hit from a plane, but no one ever thought it would need to be designed for a plane full of full and going at full speed. And future buildings won't be either. New Orleans has always been in danger of substantial flooding due to being below sea level, being surrounded by levees and also by a huge lake and river. Yet did anyone ever imagine it actually flooding? Ford currently has a recall on like 3 million SUVs and trucks because a "potential" fire risk. They are offering to fix it for free. How many people will get it fixed? I bet less than 50% because of the mentality "it won't happen to me", or the simple fact that they weren't informed. Is this a governmental issue as well? Should the President act as this as well?

    And finally (I think), the recent discovery that we "ignored ground zero". Everyone has been so fixed on New Orleans that they are ignoring all the other areas. Or at least the media is. Parts of Mississippi were hit harder than N.O., yet the area gets a fraction of the coverage that N.O. gets. And St. Bernard parish, an area very close to N.O. was basically ignored by rescuers and the media because everyone (the gov't opposed to Bush?) was so focussed on the devistation in N.O.

    I'm sure I will have more.... Reading the news every day continues to lead to more frustration. Not with the government, because I don't necessarily feel it was the US government's fault. I feel most of the fault should be on the government of Louisiana and the local governments. The US Gov't is ultimately responsible for the protection and well being of the nation, but the reason we have local and state governments is to take most of the load off the higher up gov'ts and manage/protect the local areas.

    Comment and critizize, and maybe even argue, but don't bash or blame. If I see any comments bashing, they will most likely be deleted. Yeah, I'm an admin and I can do that. But I won't do it just because I'm a Bush supporter. If its a valid comment/arguement, it'll stay. But if its just an outlandish bash, its not needed and will be deleted.
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    There's a great timeline of the events leading up to and after the hurricane made landfall that's up for people to look at at:



    Everything is back edup with White House press releases and media stories from good sources like CNN and MSNBC, no Fox BS. Definitely worth looking at.
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    • #3
      I agree with pretty much everything that you said Brad except for one thing. The buses. There is a picture on the honest news network (Fox News) that shows an ariel photo of a bus shed with a couple hundred buses under water. According to that timeline the govener ordered a state of emergency well before the hurricane hit. Why then didnt the mayor, knowing that the hurricane had a signfigant chance of hitting his city, at least have the buses on standby in case he would have ordered the evacuation sooner. New Orleans is only a fraction of the devistation. Mississippi is totally fucked. I was going to move here in a couple of months to a little town on the gulf called Pass Christian, the town is literally now wiped off the map. ENTIRE towns in Mississippi are gone, not just flooded, but GONE. We shouldnt just be covering N.O. but the entire Miss, Ala, and LA, coast. Lets just remember that the states are somewhat responsible also.

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      • #4
        Good info, yet still seems biased...

        Has anyone ever been in a major event where things are happening non-stop and at a rapid pace? I know I have, and I know that there are times when some critical information is not passed to the people "in charge" until well after it has occured. Some of those things (FEMA) seem to be just that...

        As far as people reporting that the levee could most likely fail, and others not knowing that the levee will fail, all comes back to how information is passed. There were several people at NASA that were concerned, AND addressed concerns with the foam that hit Columbia's wing on take-off. These were experts in their field, and yet people higher up to them didn't think it was as much of a concern. I bet the president wasn't even aware there was an issue. Smaller scale? Maybe on the loss of life, but I doubt in the monetary range. Experts can and will always try to pass the worst case scenario (as I stated above), but the people making the desicions may not act on them becauce of their own thoughts or discussions with other people making decisions. I'm sure I could find many other instances of this in the past with every single president ever in office.
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        • #5
          the problem is, with our stupid government being split between the 2 parties and every politician seemingly just doing what is necessary to get re-elected, that nothing ever gets done.

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          • #6
            Like I said earlier..No one, and I mean NO ONE!! Could have predicted the events. Were mistakes made? Of course there were! If not, not one casualty would have been reported. It is the same in all natural disasters. We, as humans love to tempt fate by living in areas prone to, let's say, anything. The people in the Midwest live in the path of tornadoes. People in the North East deal with blizzards. Etc......

            Show me an absolute safe place place to live.

            Who is to blame? Nobody. (Of course we always blame the government first) When terrorists learn how to control a hurricane, then, we can blame. (i.e. 911.)

            Simple fact is, in America, we have the resources to combat the aftermath of this event. We are doing just that. Churches, schools, businesses, all are opening their hearts, homes, and pockets to help the survivors first. Same as always. Let the dead lie, and count them later.

            I get this picture in my head...Most of the people that complain, think that the Government should have had a million busses lined up 2 days before. ...and no one wanted to go... Till the last minute.

            A tragedy beyond all comprehension. ....But it happened, just as sure as the Big One will strike California. Just as sure as another Oklahoma City. Just as sure as another Columbine. Just as sure as some year, the Earth will fall into the Sun,... then,.... who you gonna blame?

            It is sad,...but this too shall pass. Don't blame, look past all that and help in anyway you can. 2 dollars x 2= 4. Compound that by millions.

            The largest of tragedies affect a lot, the smallest only affect a few. But they are all the same.

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            • #7
              Maybe I'm heartless or something...but, I find it hard to feal sorry for people that have enough in life to choose to live somewhere else. Yet, these people choose to live in areas like this and leech of government handouts when a storm comes through and blows over their matchstick homes. I do feel sorry for the people that can't help their situation...the poor and the children. However, I find it appaling how much this is being blown up to be the worst disaster the world has ever seen. Deaths were minimized the best they could have been, I seriously don't see the count going higher than 5-10k (absolute worst case). Most of the whining is coming from the fact that: A. People had to wait a few days for food and water (Waah, our gimmi gimmi sociaty had to wait for something), and B. The area has lost Billions in REPLACEABLE property.
              Seriously it seem that we have forgot that just a few months ago over 200 thousand people lost their lives in a virtually unpredictable disaster.
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              • #8
                Just reiterated what I said. TY. And it is not heartless. It is Human response. Again, we take care of anyone, world wide, we always have and will.

                That is why we get in so many conflicts. It's an American thing, and a human nature, some countries put that down. Then we help.

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                • #9
                  go gives a shit, lets just get all this crap cleaned up first, there's plenty of time to place blame, and hang people by their balls later.
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                  • #10
                    First off ive got an issue with some(not all) of the affected peoples attitudes. I havent been keeping that up to date with all the events the last few days(been fishing) but have seen some reports and interviews on the aftermath. The first day or two of reporting seemed to have a number of people wondering when the goverment was going to come and help them. OK. We are all tax payers and we should all expect a certain amount of service(not help) from our elected government. This attitude I was reading from some of these people seemed to me like they expected or even demanded help from the gov. More to the point they seemed like people who want to lay back and suck on the goverment tit and not have to do anything about their situation for themselves. People need to learn to take care of themselves. Such as evac-ing before the thing hit. I dont want to sound like Im defending the goverment here for sure because obviously something went wrong somewhere. What I see is there are already steps being taken to figure out what went wrong and if they are smart on what they could do to have a better response for the next disaster.
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                    • #11
                      My wife and I were listening to the radio the other day and a woman called in and actually said the following: "If Bush hadn't been re-elected, this hurricane would have never happened." Another person called in and said, "This all started back in the Reagan administration." So there you have it. The Republicans can now control the weather! :P

                      Seriously though, I feel bad for the old people, the kids, and the poor people who could not get out. I can tell you this, I would pack my family in the vehicle in drive somewhere else. I'd get out of there with the important things and worry about my material things later.

                      What makes me sick about the whole thing is the people who capitalize off this misfortune. The people who don't help their neighbors, but head into town to steal TV's and Playstations. The scam artists setting up fake donations and charities. What a disgrace our society has turned into.

                      As far as government response time is concerned, OldSkoolGP posted a pretty good read. I think the head of our nation could have done a better job of putting this as his top priority. However, think of the logistics-nightmare it is getting aid and personel down to that area. How much could the national government really do?

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                      • #12
                        Of course I can't find the article now, but I read this morning that the Red Cross was actually told that they COULDN'T go in to provide food and assistance at one point, but had to wait 24 hours because of the rescue missions taking place.

                        Everyone has heard about the horror in the Superdome by now. Feces all over the place, dead bodys, rapes, etc... They are also now finding crack vials among the trash. Get a bunch of people (I'm sure there were more than a couple) high on crack in a dark, cramped place... I'm not suprised it was so bad. Pissing and crapping on the floor... if its dark and you can't find your way to a bathroom, or you are scared to go to the bathroom because of the crack heads, what else are you supposed to do?

                        I also saw an interview of a lady that was in the Superdome, and had been transferred to the Astrodome. She was complaining about the food situation at the Superdome. Not the lack of food, but that it was only dried items and it wasn't a hot meal (can we say MREs?). So they were eating, but they weren't been served nice, hot banquet food.
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                        • #13
                          You know what me and my girl brought up last night. People keep bringing race into this. When you mention the looting or rioting or aggressive behavior they say its not about race its about the situation the people were put in. OK fine, I am sure white folk would do what it takes to survive to. But what we found disturbing and no one has an answer for....RAPE. They said many accounts of rape occured in the Dome. Come on and tell me an excuse about survival that nessitates rape. Tell me that people were raping due to their need to survive. It shows the mentality of LOOK! ..... There is no law, we can take whatever we want, it has nothing to do with survival and I find it disgusting. Where is Jesse Jackson and Rev. Sharpton to talk about that. And no these violant mobs werent storming looking to rape anyone on the outside, regardless of color. They were raping their own people in the same desperate situation. Anyone else find that gross?
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                          • #14
                            There is a ton of info on this site. Also unbiased. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina All the links you will ever need. I warn you, a lot of reading. The most interesting item I found was the current death toll. 1,550, 35,000 unaccounted for. Most of those would be transplants to other cities. Baton Rouge population increased 50%.

                            New news, Less than feared dead.

                            What news story will overshadow this one?

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                            • #15
                              i just want to know why no one gave a rats ass when 1/2 of st charels MO was destroyed due to a break in a levee during the flood in 93 because they lived on a flood plain, however when a city that is built below sea level gets swamped the whole country feels the need to donate a kidney to the people that didnt leave when they were told to
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