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    Hey everyone, Below is a very recent conversation on another group, of which racerx-11 and I belong, on how cowl induction works. The start of the convers is on the bottom and works up. Sorry thats just how it came to me. Let me know what ya'll think.


    From: "HairyRedneckGuy"
    True, They give you more space, but if you want to get technical the
    reason that the hood scoop works is because of fluid dynamics, namely
    aerodynamics. All air is considered a fluid for engineering/physics
    matters because of how it acts. The general Idea for the X-11 hood
    is to act as suction using fluid flow. If you have ever seen those
    gutter guard rain gutters, they work on the same principle (using a
    little water surface tension as well)... in this case air is forced
    over the hood scoop where a vortex of air disturbance is created in
    the area between the scoop and the windshield. This would be a low
    pressure area under the High pressure of the flow going over the
    car. However as more air goes over more air has to leave, this is
    where the scoop's opening comes in, it allows the turbulence to
    escape the vortex created and travels directly into the carb.
    Without testing an a lot of math I couldn't say exactly where the
    High and low pressure spots are, but that is the general science
    behind why the scoop works.

    Can you tell I used to teach Science?
    Junior

    "Pete Winegardner" wrote:
    > also, the cowl hood gives you more room to play around versus a flat
    > hood. take for instance my carbed 3.1L - the high rise intake would
    > not fit with a regular hood.
    >
    Josh Keady wrote: Well, let's get it straight that while at speed, you will undoubtedly always see a vacuum condition at the carb or throttle body, never positive pressure there without a forced induction device. Car companies have been putting scoops and the like on cars for many years, but the only real performance gain you get is in the
    density of the cool air being fed to the intake. The actual velocity is usually insufficient to create any kind of actual pressure in
    the intake.
    That said, I think you'll find that the cowl induction concept
    works by creating high pressure in one area which creates low pressure
    in another. I think. Think of the air as tumbling over the lip at
    the back of the hood and into the intake. It goes over the lip,
    then arcs back in to the duct to fill the void it created when the
    hood pushed past it. Obviously that's not going to create any
    positive pressure, but it does direct cool air into that duct.
    I hope that makes some kind of sense
    Josh
    > >
    On Aug 10, 2005, davydmanson wrote:
    In many websites I have found that cowl induction creates a
    lower pressure area in the lower area of the windshield Ih this
    rigth?????The problem comes when people say that cowl induction hood
    and cowl hoods do two direrent things, cowl induction (like X11) makes a
    high pressure area (Bernulli theory) and then try to supercharge the
    carb. The point is this the cowl induction helps to make a high
    pressure area or a low pressure area ???????????????Or am I totally lost????????
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    that makes sense if you think about it, therefor making cowl induction a bad thing.
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    • #3
      D. I. I have to totally disagree with you. Cowl Induction is a VERY good thing. Why would so many drag racers use it if it didnt work? See,in the vortex on the cowl, only cool air is going "directly" into the carb. Cool air is a very cood thing, engines really like it. Also, since the high pressure is on top, alot of dirt is sent over the windshield, away from the engine. Clean air is damn good for your motor. Plus, on the older mucslecar "true" cowl induction with no lid on the air cleaner, just a rubber seal (unlike the X-11's), the added air pressure on the hood increases the downforce and forms a tighter seal around the air cleaner. Less engine heat thats enters the carb is a good thing. So, as you can see, cowl induction is one of the best auto inventions ever, no real downside. Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.
      Jeremiah
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      • #4
        what i gathered from the conversation is that there is a low presure area directly infront of the cowl opening. obviously the vacuum of the motor draws air in, but why would low pressure be better than high pressure? wouldnt higher pressure be better to draw in, sort of the rock bottom of "forced" induction as there is more air in the cubic foot. maybe im retarded, but i'd rather have a scoop for functionality, and a cowl for looks.
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        • #5
          Cowl induction theory...

          The old cowl induction hoods used
          raised center section that ran back to the base of the windshield. Instead of having
          the opening on the front of the hood scoop, it was on the back. This allows the
          carb to pull its air from the relatively high pressure area at the base of the
          windshield, providing a very mild passive supercharging effect and possibly a few
          more horsepower. When a moving gas like air is brought to a halt, there is an
          attendant rise in pressure (the kinetic energy is converted to static pressure).
          Bernoulli's equation illustrates this:
          P + (rho*V**2)/2 = constant
          where:
          P = air pressure
          rho = air density
          V = air velocity

          When you decrease the air velocity, pressure must increase to keep the quantity
          a constant.


          Copied from the following article: http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/D...odynamics.html
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          • #6
            Yuppers. Brad is right. There is a high pressure zone at the base of the windsheild. Having an air opening in that spot is great.
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            • #7
              "in this case air is forced over the hood scoop where a vortex of air disturbance is created in the area between the scoop and the windshield. This would be a low pressure area under the High pressure of the flow going over the car."
              "Think of the air as tumbling over the lip at the back of the hood and into the intake. It goes over the lip, then arcs back in to the duct to fill the void it created when the hood pushed past it. Obviously that's not going to create any positive pressure,"

              Not being a genius, thats what threw me off. its difficult for me to imagine that the act of air going up and over the cowl and then racing up the windsheild doesnt attemp to suck air out of the cowl. i think i'm what i'm visualizing is sort of like how some airbrushes work, as the air passes over the nozzle it sucks the paint out of the cup. i know nothing of fluid dynamics and pressure areas about the cars, but it looks like the motor would have to work slighty harder to draw the air in, but that loss must be countered by the cold air. i dunno beat it into me.
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              • #8
                Think of this, if you watch a cross section of a water fall you'll notice that at the base the water tumbles in a sorta cylinder fashion before being ejected. Same "basic" theory on cowl induction. Between the cowl scoop and windshield the air "tumbles" into a cylinder and when its ejected it either goes off the side or directly into the carb which is good. Also as a result of the tumbling action the air is cooled and dirt is ejected.
                Does this make it easier to visualize?
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                • #9
                  sort of, it would be really interesting to see something like this in a wind tunnel. with the motor running so as to simulate it as close to acutal as possible.
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