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  • GM is late to the Pony Party - again.

    GM is late to the Pony Party - again.

    Detroit. Timing is everything, but the concept of time has its own peculiar cadence in the automobile business. After all, this is an industry that spends its entire life in a professional Twilight Zone-like haze called "lead time" - working on products that are two, three and even four years from introduction. An industry that regularly launches new vehicles to market - while their replacements are only months from being "locked-in" to the final engineering and design phases. And, as if all of that weren't strange enough, it's an industry that thinks nothing of introducing products that are tagged with the following calendar year, nine months before the current model year is scheduled to run out. Timing in the auto business can make or break a product or even make or break an entire company, depending on the circumstances. And right now, the Ford Motor Company is on the very profitable side of fortuitous timing.

    The new-generation Mustang is a flat-out "hit" by any conceivable measure. It's the right car, at the right time for the market - and it's the right car at the right time for Ford. How crucial is the Mustang's success to Ford right now? It's literally carrying the entire company on its back.

    But as much as timing plays an integral role in the car biz, there's another factor that can dominate the business too - and that's the feverish notion that if one company defines a "hit" - the "copycats" won't be too far behind. Nothing grates on car companies more than watching a competitor steal thunder with an overnight success. It drives them crazy, as a matter of fact. Such was the case with the original Mustang introduction back on April 17, 1964 - to this date the most successful car launch in U.S. automotive history. Ford created a new segment from out of the blue, and they were off to the races with it. GM was caught flat-footed with the Mustang's success and came up with their "me too" version of the "pony" car almost three years later - the '67 Chevrolet Camaro - and added the Pontiac Firebird after that. And then Chrysler joined in with their own versions of the "pony" car - the Plymouth Barracuda and the Dodge Challenger.

    It looks like the importance of timing is surfacing again in the auto biz, as history, apparently, is repeating itself. Now that Ford has a huge hit with their new-generation Mustang, the "late-to-the-party" contingent is showing up. Chrysler is said to be working on a shortened-wheelbase Coupe version of its next-generation "LX" rear-wheel-drive platform - to be called the Challenger - but it won't make its debut until 2008. This was after the company slammed its critics (me included) when they introduced the new-generation Charger as a four-door sedan, declaring the Coupe market dead in the water in the U.S. and suggesting that "nobody buys Coupes anymore." My, how things have changed. A red-hot Mustang seems to have brought clarity to Chrysler's thinking of late. For all of Chrysler's posturing as the car company that creates "segment-busting" products, they miss more often than they hit. And they missed the Mustang phenomenon, big time. But as easily as Chrysler's miscalculation can be explained (they're so permanently lost in the "daze" of their HEMI/300C success out in Auburn Hills that they're having difficulty functioning), GM's late reaction (or inaction) is inexcusable.

    Now that Ford is selling upwards of 18,000 Mustangs per month, the rumblings are coming from within GM that there will be a next-generation Camaro one day too. But questions linger, as in why did it take GM to see the efficacy of a properly rendered Mustang in order to understand that they needed the Camaro? Why did it take Ford's belief in its franchise car - the Mustang - to teach GM that they had something special to believe in with the heritage and the history of the Camaro?

    The ultimate question is this: Why is GM always reacting instead of acting?

    It takes no time at all to count the number of vehicles that GM has pioneered since the '50s that were not responses to a competitor's product, but rather were the result of reaching deep within and coming up with a product idea that demonstrated confidence and genuine vision. The Corvette. The Pontiac GTO. The original Buick Riviera. The front-wheel-drive Olds Toronado and Eldorado come to mind, to name a few.

    The reason given for GM letting the Camaro die in 2002 was ostensibly because of budget considerations, but insiders know the real problem was that the "old-think" GM was still alive and well - and that the enthusiast faction within GM was still being suppressed and throttled from envisioning great cars at every turn. A new Camaro could have and should have been making its debut this coming fall, but now GM will be lucky if they can be back in the market with one by the 2008 time frame.

    GM should be embarrassed that they got caught flat-footed by the Mustang. In this era when great product can make or break car companies, a hot Camaro would have done wonders for GM and Chevrolet. At the end of the day, the Camaro name was and still is one of the bright lights in the GM/Chevrolet portfolio and one of the most recognized American car brand names out there - one with a tremendous amount of brand equity and residual goodwill in the marketplace. The original Camaro, though a "me too" entry to the segment Ford invented, was always the most worthy competitor to the Mustang, and the fact that GM walked away from it, even for a model year, is unforgivable.

    Don't be surprised to see a future Camaro concept unveiled at the Detroit Auto Show next January. But in the meantime, every month that the Mustang continues to pile up double-digit sales, it should be a painful reminder to GM and Chevrolet executives that when you have the potential for a hit product sitting right under your noses, you don't let it languish or flounder - or die. Instead, you nurture it, hone it and make it better than ever.

    Because on top of all of the other factors looming over this industry right now - including the brutal competition, the fragmenting of segments, the health care and legacy costs, etc., etc. - playing catch-up in this business is a bitch.
    Colin
    92 Sunbird GT, 3200 Hybrid 13.99@ 95.22 (2004)
    90 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 10.54 @ 129mph.

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    RE: GM is late to the Pony Party - again.

    well ain't that the truth.
    I wish 10% of the people on the road knew how to drive

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    • #3
      But what about the new GTO? It was released the same time as the new mustang (at least in the US anyways) and is fairly competitive to it performance-wise. I understand it didnt make as big of a splash as the mustang did but this writer just seems a little one-sided to me by neglecting to mention it at all.
      1995 Grand Am SE

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Azrael
        But what about the new GTO?
        If It was offered w/ a Base V6 then it would probably be doing a hell of a lot better. Base models are what have always driven the Mustang sales and what still do.
        67 Olds Cutlass 2bbl 330 w/ 2 speed Jetaway

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        • #5
          not as many v8 mustangs as you may think out there, most are v6 cars, or the 80s ones being 4 cyl. its a cheap way to get a sporty looking car, and say "i drive a mustang". ford floods the market with the base mustangs, something gm doesnt/wont do.

          chrysler has finaly seen the light after a long time away from rwd cars, bringing out the 300, magnum and charger. they have their base v6 power, but also have the option for a v8. chrysler shocked the market with those cars, and its paying off. gm needs to do this aswell, but unfortunetly, they are doing the copy cat thing if they simply bring back a retro camaro with say, an ls2. and if they did, it would be typical gm, overpriced, crappy quality, and will even be way overpriced as a base model.

          gm needs to bring back something kids want, and can afford. the new gn would be an ausome car. start it with a v6 non turbo, a step up with a v8 and have a gnx as a twin turbo v6. this would make a stupidly ausome car, and as long as gm could keep the price reasonable, it would sell.

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          • #6
            The GTO was a slap in the face to all of gm buyer's who valued "heritage". there is no heritage there, they thought they could just slap a gto badge on a rwd v8 car and it would be a hit. It is that kind of thinking that has put gm in such a precarious position now with the car market. The GTO is a boring car to look at and the sales reflect that. performance wise it is a beast though flat out murdering the new mustang gt in every performance category. Gm should have done it the right way and used the now defunct zeta platform for the gto instead.

            the fbodies were good cars but i do not believe they were competitvely priced at all, combine that with the obvious lack of comfort compared to it's cheaper albeit slower competitor and i can see why mustangs outsell them. Sometimes performance isn't everything and maybe one day that lesson will be learned. PRICING and of course TIMING.

            gm has forgotten the purpose of the muscule to begin with. they were fast and young people were the "target market" but most importantly they were cheap. 36 grand is not cheap. what do mustang gt's go for....20? 22? if some1 wants performance, perhaps we could weigh it like this a 22g car with 14k extra to modify as u see fit compared to getting a stock vehicle for 36. 14 thousand dollars i could make an 82 tercel fast.

            they made all the newer incarnations of the fbodies with a different "target market" in mind. the older peeps that owned older camaro's as kids and pricing reflected that i suppose. What the dumbasses didn't realize that some 40+ something that owned an older camaro as kid and wants one again and makes 75k a year isn't going to buy a new camaro that looks almost nothing like it's ancestor. No, he/she will just plop down the same 36+ thousand dollars and get the exact same car they HAD as a teenager.

            gm does have a few successful car lines though like the cadillac where their pricing fits the "Target Market" and hence success.

            anyway on a side not i love fbodies and would own one over a mustang any day but i was just bringing up what i think could be better about gm's car's. all the stuff above is just biased opinion, nothing more nothing less.
            The Official Rotating Mass Nazi

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            • #7
              The 'Cuda may have followed the Mustang, but I would rather drive a 'Cuda than a Mustang any day!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ikessky
                The 'Cuda may have followed the Mustang, but I would rather drive a 'Cuda than a Mustang any day!
                I second that

                The GTO I thought wasn't consider a pony car due to it's big backseat, but I'm probally wrong
                I wish 10% of the people on the road knew how to drive

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by vsop4me3.1

                  The GTO I thought wasn't consider a pony car due to it's big backseat, but I'm probally wrong
                  The definitions are too blurred these days...

                  Pony car use to mean Light weight (somethign I don't think the new Mustangs qualify as) + Small Block V8

                  Muscle- Just meant Hi-Po Big Block. Usually Big 2 door sedans, but exceptions were the Big Block Mustangs, Camaros, Vettes, Novas Etc.

                  The GTO, IMO, is just a Modern Sport Coupe.
                  67 Olds Cutlass 2bbl 330 w/ 2 speed Jetaway

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                  • #10
                    For the most part I agree with that article. GM needs to wake and smell the shit; or else they are fucked.


                    1992 Lumina Z34 | 3.4L 207ci DOHC 60º V6; Getrag 284 |
                    1994 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP | 3.4L 207ci DOHC 60º V6; Hydra-Matic 4T60E |

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                    • #11
                      You guys havent realized GM is usually 3 years behind the curve? The only thing they have right are the trucks and the Vette. The GTO is a killer car. It far out performs the Mustang and the old Camaro. I don't get why its not selling. Must be the price I guess.

                      GM needs to take all of the cars they build in Austrialia and sell them here. Its that simple if they want to meet Ford and Dodge in the muscle scene.
                      1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
                      1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
                      Because... I am, CANADIAN

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                      • #12
                        If GM did that I would be the first one to drive the sport-truck car thingy they got over there.

                        I was reading in a recent Motor Trend that a few of them aren't designed for left hand drive. And of course to GM that would be too costly.


                        1992 Lumina Z34 | 3.4L 207ci DOHC 60º V6; Getrag 284 |
                        1994 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP | 3.4L 207ci DOHC 60º V6; Hydra-Matic 4T60E |

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                        • #13
                          the mustang needs competition... its competing with the vette right now... I'd take a 68 cougar over any of those cars any day.
                          2001 Mustang GT
                          1991 5spd Lumina Z34 - Dead
                          1947 4spd International - Dead... Reincarnation pending.. getting close now .

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PlatinumZ34
                            the mustang needs competition... its competing with the vette right now... I'd take a 68 cougar over any of those cars any day.
                            Mustang Competing with the Vette? Please

                            If you mean the Mustang is the best Ford anyone can afford (Read: GT not affordable) then yea I guess in that sense. But the Mustang is competition for the GTO and it still gets beat.
                            1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
                            1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
                            Because... I am, CANADIAN

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                            • #15
                              GM has become a poor excuse for a company. Marketing, engineering, quality, etc. You name it, they are bad at it.The predidtions are rolling in that the are going to be bankrupt in the near future. Right now their stock is junk. I own a GM but will never buy another.

                              Lyle

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