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  • Is GM killing Saab?

    Has anyone else been paying attention to Saab and GM's ownership lately?

    I have a few Saabs that I love. The first gen 9000 Aeros(converted my Turbo to one for the most part), 9-5 Aeros and Viggens. Saabs are quirky, they give the term "Saabness", thats what the cars posess. WhenGM took over many people feared the cars would lose that Saabness.

    Saab owners are very loyal, they border on fanatical. It had been noted that Saab buyers had the highest level of education in the industry. I loved the 9-5 Aero when I drove it in 2000/01. The Viggen was the last 9-3 that was pre GM. Then came the new 9-3. The platform was shared with other GM vehicles. Many components are now seen on the Ion and Cobalt SS. I drove one for two weeks. It was a great platform and the Ecotec revved nicely....but it still seemed to be a bit down on Saab flavor.....afterall it was no longer a hatchback and there was no more coupe. But I think it helped saab sales. So GM didnt make me puke just yet.

    But now over the past year or two GM has gone on full assault to destroy brand equity. First was the Saabaru, the 9-2x. Its a WRX or RS with a nice Saab nose job, some minor tuning and interior trim details and they call it a Saab. This wasnt that upsetting to me. We all know the Subie was a great car, but I always hated the nose and wouldnt mind an upgraded interior. But this still was a no no to purists. A this point I dont see these cars around much, I dont think they are selling very well.

    But now they have gone a little too far. We have the 9-7-x. Saab does not have an SUV in its showrooms. Saab could have invtested money in AWD on the 9-5, but I doubt they would on such an old platform, perhaps it will show on the redesign. So I think they were scrambling to have an SUV. But man, a warmed over Trailblazer? This is an overextended vehicle. The commercials call it uniquely designed blah blah. Its an insult.

    I am interested to see how this will all play out. These new offerings will do one or both of two things. You will get new buyers which will be new blood to Saab. You also may digust Saab purists and hurt brand equity. I understand the need to fill voids in the product line and making use of what you have. But these tactics could have short term releif lead to long term diminishing of a great brand.

    Discuss.
    '91 Beretta GT 282 swap GONE

    '98 BMW M Roadster stage 2+ boosted

    '06 Saab 9-5 wagon 5mt tuned

    '11 Saab 9-3 XWD tuned

  • #2
    I couldn't find one thing in there that I don't agree on!
    My best bud owns two saabs, an 89 900 and a 90 9000. His 9K is like his dad's car, but we use it all the time for transportation, he's probably about to get another 9000 hatch with the B202 i beleive? The same engine his 900 has. We've done extensive mod'n on his 900, and i've helped it through it's way. So i'm pretty partial to saab. THE DAY i found out GM took over Saab...i was just like...fuck... I already knew this would happen. It's like the whole "GTO" and Monaro thing...They did the same shit!
    So my opinion - GM is screwing over Saab. I'm not even a Saab owner, but I'm loyal to the name.
    They have something, it might be that 9-2x that you mentioned...that was like halfway an SUV half wagon..kinda like what happened with the Magnum's ass end...yea, sure it's a good car...but not for a Saab

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    • #3
      Wow, I was just at the Saab web site, and the 9-2x even has the same stupid hood scoop as the WRX.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by firechiken
        Wow, I was just at the Saab web site, and the 9-2x even has the same stupid hood scoop as the WRX.
        Atleast its functional, so I cant complain. Those turbo cars use a TMIC so its not there for looks.
        '91 Beretta GT 282 swap GONE

        '98 BMW M Roadster stage 2+ boosted

        '06 Saab 9-5 wagon 5mt tuned

        '11 Saab 9-3 XWD tuned

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        • #5
          Originally posted by GPRacer
          I couldn't find one thing in there that I don't agree on!
          My best bud owns two saabs, an 89 900 and a 90 9000. His 9K is like his dad's car, but we use it all the time for transportation, he's probably about to get another 9000 hatch with the B202 i beleive? The same engine his 900 has. We've done extensive mod'n on his 900, and i've helped it through it's way. So i'm pretty partial to saab. THE DAY i found out GM took over Saab...i was just like...fuck... I already knew this would happen. It's like the whole "GTO" and Monaro thing...They did the same shit!
          So my opinion - GM is screwing over Saab. I'm not even a Saab owner, but I'm loyal to the name.
          They have something, it might be that 9-2x that you mentioned...that was like halfway an SUV half wagon..kinda like what happened with the Magnum's ass end...yea, sure it's a good car...but not for a Saab
          I have a 1990 9000 Turbo 5 door hatch I have put a lot into. It use to be my brothers daily driver. When he could no longer drive due to medical problems I used it when my GT was down. My parents had no use for it, so once I began taking care of it and upgrading it they said its yours. I have put in a full Aero interior and wood kit and got all the power functions to work like seat memory. I added the factory catalog Airflow body kit and Bridge spoiled.

          I have a Viggen 20 PSI bov, intake, exhaust, 3" downpipe, Aero wheels.....its an auto though. Its competent in highway roll ons and has been a good daily over the past year. The Aero seats are awesome hehe.

          Saab has planned a 9-3-x which is also a wagon with SUV like detailing, I think its out in a few months. In the mean time the 9-2-x is 91% unchanged from a Subaru WRX/RS
          '91 Beretta GT 282 swap GONE

          '98 BMW M Roadster stage 2+ boosted

          '06 Saab 9-5 wagon 5mt tuned

          '11 Saab 9-3 XWD tuned

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          • #6
            Speaking of ION's My youngest sister just bought a 2005 Red Line. 205 HP. Not bad, pulls pretty good. But the car is still pretty junky. I think the Cobalt is honestly a nicer car.

            My girlfriend just bought a Mazda 3 GT, much nicer than the Ion, but not as much jam.

            Lyle

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Lyle's GTP
              Speaking of ION's My youngest sister just bought a 2005 Red Line. 205 HP. Not bad, pulls pretty good. But the car is still pretty junky. I think the Cobalt is honestly a nicer car.

              My girlfriend just bought a Mazda 3 GT, much nicer than the Ion, but not as much jam.

              Lyle
              The Cobalt SS is better than the Redline but they cant sell the Ion. They are sitting with over 5k off, I have seen them being sold for $15k. Meanwhile SS's are stickering at 22-23.5.
              '91 Beretta GT 282 swap GONE

              '98 BMW M Roadster stage 2+ boosted

              '06 Saab 9-5 wagon 5mt tuned

              '11 Saab 9-3 XWD tuned

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              • #8
                If GM has their way, they will make Saab fill the small void that Oldsmobile left.
                Brian

                '95 Cutlass Supreme- "The Rig"
                3400 SFI V6, 4T60e
                Comp Cam grind, LS6 valve springs, OBD2 swap, Tuned
                2.5" DP/ 2.5" dual exh/ Magnaflow Cat/ crap mufflers/ 3500 Intake manifold/ 65mm TB
                TGP steering Rack/ 34mm Sway Bar/Vert STB/ KYB GR2's

                '08 Chevy Trailblazer SWB 1LT "Smart Package"- LH6 5.3L V8/4L60e, A4WD

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JamesonGT282
                  Originally posted by GPRacer
                  I couldn't find one thing in there that I don't agree on!
                  My best bud owns two saabs, an 89 900 and a 90 9000. His 9K is like his dad's car, but we use it all the time for transportation, he's probably about to get another 9000 hatch with the B202 i beleive? The same engine his 900 has. We've done extensive mod'n on his 900, and i've helped it through it's way. So i'm pretty partial to saab. THE DAY i found out GM took over Saab...i was just like...fuck... I already knew this would happen. It's like the whole "GTO" and Monaro thing...They did the same shit!
                  So my opinion - GM is screwing over Saab. I'm not even a Saab owner, but I'm loyal to the name.
                  They have something, it might be that 9-2x that you mentioned...that was like halfway an SUV half wagon..kinda like what happened with the Magnum's ass end...yea, sure it's a good car...but not for a Saab
                  I have a 1990 9000 Turbo 5 door hatch I have put a lot into. It use to be my brothers daily driver. When he could no longer drive due to medical problems I used it when my GT was down. My parents had no use for it, so once I began taking care of it and upgrading it they said its yours. I have put in a full Aero interior and wood kit and got all the power functions to work like seat memory. I added the factory catalog Airflow body kit and Bridge spoiled.

                  I have a Viggen 20 PSI bov, intake, exhaust, 3" downpipe, Aero wheels.....its an auto though. Its competent in highway roll ons and has been a good daily over the past year. The Aero seats are awesome hehe.

                  Saab has planned a 9-3-x which is also a wagon with SUV like detailing, I think its out in a few months. In the mean time the 9-2-x is 91% unchanged from a Subaru WRX/RS
                  Pics/link ?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GPRacer
                    Originally posted by JamesonGT282
                    Originally posted by GPRacer
                    I couldn't find one thing in there that I don't agree on!
                    My best bud owns two saabs, an 89 900 and a 90 9000. His 9K is like his dad's car, but we use it all the time for transportation, he's probably about to get another 9000 hatch with the B202 i beleive? The same engine his 900 has. We've done extensive mod'n on his 900, and i've helped it through it's way. So i'm pretty partial to saab. THE DAY i found out GM took over Saab...i was just like...fuck... I already knew this would happen. It's like the whole "GTO" and Monaro thing...They did the same shit!
                    So my opinion - GM is screwing over Saab. I'm not even a Saab owner, but I'm loyal to the name.
                    They have something, it might be that 9-2x that you mentioned...that was like halfway an SUV half wagon..kinda like what happened with the Magnum's ass end...yea, sure it's a good car...but not for a Saab
                    I have a 1990 9000 Turbo 5 door hatch I have put a lot into. It use to be my brothers daily driver. When he could no longer drive due to medical problems I used it when my GT was down. My parents had no use for it, so once I began taking care of it and upgrading it they said its yours. I have put in a full Aero interior and wood kit and got all the power functions to work like seat memory. I added the factory catalog Airflow body kit and Bridge spoiled.

                    I have a Viggen 20 PSI bov, intake, exhaust, 3" downpipe, Aero wheels.....its an auto though. Its competent in highway roll ons and has been a good daily over the past year. The Aero seats are awesome hehe.

                    Saab has planned a 9-3-x which is also a wagon with SUV like detailing, I think its out in a few months. In the mean time the 9-2-x is 91% unchanged from a Subaru WRX/RS
                    Pics/link ?
                    yes from members rides:



                    And one other pic
                    '91 Beretta GT 282 swap GONE

                    '98 BMW M Roadster stage 2+ boosted

                    '06 Saab 9-5 wagon 5mt tuned

                    '11 Saab 9-3 XWD tuned

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                    • #11
                      that's a very clean 9K hatch! We're about to pick up one like that most likely. The 9k we have right now is a shitbox...his dad fucked it up pretty good, so it's constantly breaking down. We're buying a hatch just like yours that's been in great condition...and it's a five speed

                      But that's one very nice, clean 9000 man! Great job with it!

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                      • #12
                        If this car was a 5spd I think it would be a high 14 sec car. This auto kills it. If left on its own it shifts at 4700 with a 6k redline hehe. Its a slug off the line. But put it in 1st and stall to about 2500 and shift at 5800-6k and its a different story. I had an APC reprogram to run 5psi more and make for about 255lbs of tq and 245hp, but it didnt work and I had to send it back

                        The car handles like crap though, tons of body roll. If I think I am going to drive it for a year or more I am going to on Aero springs and custom sway bars. It already has Bilsteins and Z rated P7000's.
                        '91 Beretta GT 282 swap GONE

                        '98 BMW M Roadster stage 2+ boosted

                        '06 Saab 9-5 wagon 5mt tuned

                        '11 Saab 9-3 XWD tuned

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                        • #13
                          yea, his dad's car has the WORST body roll. We put KYB-GR2's all the way around, and lemme tell you dude, that thing can handle now! Considering that's the ONLY thing we did to the suspension...i have to say that thing handles extremely well.
                          And for that computer--that sucks that it didn't work out!
                          Which engine does your 9000 have?
                          His dad's...ah i can't remember which one it was, but i know the hatch we're gonna pick up has the B202

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                          • #14
                            2.0 16V 165hp, 195tq stock. With my goodies probaby 185-190 and 220-225tq.
                            '91 Beretta GT 282 swap GONE

                            '98 BMW M Roadster stage 2+ boosted

                            '06 Saab 9-5 wagon 5mt tuned

                            '11 Saab 9-3 XWD tuned

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