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  • Just finished work on a 90*V6

    It was in my buddies 2002 4.3L. He decided to put in a new camshaft to wake his 4.3L up a bit. Well the task acording to my memory took about 5-6 hours by myself working on my truck (3.4L). Ha ha were we ever wrong.

    I'll just make a lits of complaints about the engine compared to mine. And it ALL has to do with design (60* vs 90*) and some stupid things by GM.

    1. Spark plugs are freaking near imposible to reach on all cylinders. This is because the cylinder heads make so the pugs are virtually horizontal off the engine. Every single one is harder than getting to the back bank on a FWD car. On the driver side you even have to remove the steering shaft to properly access one. This also made it difficult to get the compressed air hose installed while changing the springs. In my truck the plugs point right at your face and can be reached on all 6 spots with an extension and a socket.

    2. The new way the clutch fan mounts is so stupid. You have to get a large wrench around the hub and hold the pulley stationary. Luckily I had a chain wrench that made pretty quick work of it. However I much prefer mine where it is just 4 bolts holding the fan and pully. But now I have an E-Fan and its not an issue.

    3. The timing cover is suposed to be a 1 time use only. But at $150 and his truck being brand new we decided to reuse it. But the dumb thing is that the cover has a lip at the bottom that needs to fit over the oil pan gasket. This thing was the biggest bitch to get back in. What ever happened to the good old metal cover that just bolted to the front. Was that too easy to replace? Why must an oil pan gasket become one with the timing cover. Now on my engine the timing cover and oil pan meet. However mine is all aluminum, reusable and there is no lip. It can be reinstalle with no problems and not worry about leaks.

    4. The water pump blows. You have to hold this thing up (its cast iron) and dangle a tiny gaskets on the bolts that you are trying to feed into the holes in the block. The simple way this could have been solved is with studs in the block. Then I would have no complaint at all. But I guess that would require thinking ahead on GM's part. On my pump it is a light weight aluminum piece with one gasket that is easily mounted without hastle.

    5. Because of the wide motor the back 2 springs on the driver side and the very back spring on the passenger side could not be removed with my valve spring tool. The turn handle on the top of the tool is too big. It hits the booster and heater box. So we had to stop for the night and wait till the next morning in order to borrow a low profile tool from Canadian Tire. On my engine the heads are miles away from any obstruction. So my tool worked perfect.

    6. The cam change was pretty much the same between his and my truck. Except I had to line up marks on these silly gears that turned this funny shaped cast iron shaft at the top of the engine. I think in some strange land they call this a balance shaft. For some reason a 90* V6 has an inherant vibration problem unlike our wonderfully designed engines.

    All through the task I kept pointing out the differences and the reasons we were being held up. He agreed with me on all aspects and after looking at my engine and how in fits in the bay of my truck he could see himself.
    1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
    1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
    Because... I am, CANADIAN

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    RE: Just finished work on a 90*V6

    I think in alot of ways GM's engineering is going backwards.

    Lyle

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    • #3
      Yea it would have been nice if they canned the 4.3L in the trucks and made a big ass 60* V6 for the S-10's. Then I could swap to something bigger.

      But the new inlines look promising.

      Every problem was straight forward to overcome. We now know for next time. But what took me 5-6 hours by myself for the first time in my truck took about 12 hours for 2 people in his truck.
      1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
      1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
      Because... I am, CANADIAN

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      • #4
        i love my 4.3, but its a 92 - pre balance shaft motor. 3/4 of a 350. great workhorse motor, i beat mine to death every day, and it keeps going. water pump is easy but it is a tad on the heavy side. i do hate the clutch fan that has studs holding it on and you gotta get a wrench in there to get the nuts off, but a strap wrench on the water pump pulley does wonders.

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        • #5
          You wouldn't happen to know what kind of timing cover is on that thing would you?
          1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
          1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
          Because... I am, CANADIAN

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          • #6
            wahhh waah wah... Sounds like alot of crying here.

            1) that center plug on the drivers side can be removed without removing the shaft. Just simply use a regular spark plug socket and a wrench on the end of the socket like it has designed into it.

            2) GM has been using those clutch fans for years. I prefer them over the old 4 bolted/studded setups anyday. Fucking retared having to double nut to remove the studs on the old style pumps. Yes if you do not have the proper Holding tool and proper wrench this can be a problem, If you do not have one of these, an air hammer and a punch bit can work wonders too. Just leave the belt on, and give it a quick easy rap with the air hammer on the flat of the fan clutch nut and it gives way.

            3) The timing cover IS a ONE time use only! your buddy will be back with a leak I can garantee you that. Not to mention you need to remove the oil pan to properly install the front covers on those style 4.3L's. Again this is to properly seal the engine.

            4) How does this water pump blow? its the same type of waterpump (in size and weight) GM has been using for decades. Just like a SBC. Yes it can be combersome but. If you use a dab of RTV to help hold the gasket in place on the waterpump while having the two top bolts in place helping to hold the gasket when installing there is nothing to it.

            5) what do you expect its a bigger engine.... Again proper tools leads to no problems. There was a recall years back for the springs, GM only paid about 3 hours for replacement of all 12..

            6) I dont get how its any harder to do the cam due to the balance shaft.. Yes its sad that its there. but it keeps customers happy with a smoother running engine. 3800's have them too..



            You done crying yet Geoff? :P (im just giving you a hard time buddy) come work my job for a good year..

            You think the new Inline engines are going to be easier or better to work on?? ROTFLMFAO!!!! More specialty tools needed and alot harder to work on I can garantee you that! The inline 6 in the Envoy/trailblazers - you should look up the procedure on how to remove the engine and what all needs to be done.....
            Colin
            92 Sunbird GT, 3200 Hybrid 13.99@ 95.22 (2004)
            90 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 10.54 @ 129mph.

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            • #7
              LOL

              I had the right plug socket. It wouldn't fit in. Maybe because of the brand it might have been a little deeper.

              The fan I did have does not have studs. Just 4 bolts to hold the fan and pully assembly on. Why would you ever need to double nut it?

              If the pump had studs it would been 1/10th the effort to get the pump back on.

              The timing cover has no leaks and we did loosen the oil pan bolts. The truck is a 2002 and the gasket on the cover was very pliable. I talked to a few mechanics at my dads work and they said I should be fine. So far we are. But the why the hell did they ever change to this design. Its just fucked up thats all.

              No the cam wasent any harder to install because of the shaft. I was just making fun of it. I know the 3800 has one. So does the Ecotec and the new I4 and I5.

              I have already seen an I6 come out of a trailblazer with 4x4. Had a pretty trick oil pan. However the plugs and cams would still be easier to change I bet. Especially since they are right on top...

              Why am I getting flamed for ranting anyway. This is pretty much my first one. Oh and spring can be change in 3 hours no sweat. Provided you have the right tool. The valve covers were actually quite easy to get to in comparison to other items.
              1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
              1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
              Because... I am, CANADIAN

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              • #8
                When I changed the waterpump in my 98 Blazer/4.3L I was bitching as well... Can't remember all of the reasons, but I know I was bitching. The intake gasket issue makes me wonder if that's the problem I have with mysterious coolant loss (and the reason I changed the WP in the first page! I blame that one on my father-in-law).
                -Brad-
                89 Mustang : Future 60V6 Power
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by betterthanyou
                  LOL


                  The fan I did have does not have studs. Just 4 bolts to hold the fan and pully assembly on. Why would you ever need to double nut it?
                  .
                  On older style studded waterpumps, (not the new style) there are 4 studs that thread into the w/p, the fan is then held on with 4 nuts.

                  When you do a new w/p, you need to transfer over the 4 studs to the new w/p. which to remove you need to "double nut" them thread one nut on thead the other nut on, lock the two together, then remove the stud, install into the w/p repeat 4 times.. What I was saying, was that the new style fans are much easier. You just have that one giant threaded shaft, then for replacement of the w/p you only have to do the 4 bolts, not swap studs. I dont know I just find the new style fans much nicer, maybe because I have the tool for them. I know they'd be a bitch without it.

                  No flaming from me. Just giving you a hard time.
                  Colin
                  92 Sunbird GT, 3200 Hybrid 13.99@ 95.22 (2004)
                  90 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 10.54 @ 129mph.

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                  • #10
                    Alright I can see why the studs would be a bitch then. But in the end I still like my motor better. And Im sure you like your hybrid better than a 3800.
                    1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
                    1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
                    Because... I am, CANADIAN

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