2nd Worst day of my life

[dykz34]

So if that was the SECOND worst day in your life? What's the first?

[Anonymous]

The day you banned me. I felt so unwanted, and unloved. But then the people spoke, and I felt liek I was part of the fam again.














lol naaaa, probly the day I blew my motor.

[TheProfessor]

im gonna post one of my bad days
watch for it
comming soon

[GPXSS]

you people whine too much.

[TheProfessor]

i want some wine..................weeeee roll out the barrell

[blk92z34getrag]

You know you also have to think about HP/Price ratio.

how much have you spent? $200 on flanges. some hundred dollars on throttlebodies... say the whole thing costs $600... if you gained ONE-HUNDRED horsepower... it would be worth it, $6/1hp

But what if you only gain 20hp.
$600/20hp

That's $30/1hp. It really seems pricey. Though I'm guessing at your prices.

Bring the price down to about $10/1hp and I'll buy your magical manifold off of you in a heartbeat.

Good luck.

PS I've still found no custom manifold builders here crazy enough to attempt one for my car. Granted I've called three... but they are really respected in the tuner/import world here in the bay area.

[TheProfessor]

well even 30 dollars per hp is kinda cheap if you think about it
you know if i could spend 3000 and get 100 hp increase id be all about that not talking about nos or force induction ofcoase

[bszopi]

Try Wilson Manifolds.... Although, I bet the price will be kinda high. Using your idea, probably in the $50-100/1hp range.

[Anonymous]

First of all I am not building a manifold, it is simply an intake due to the fact that air is drawn into each cylinder form seperate and open areas.

Second it is BY FAR the best intake you can have on a car. No doubt. It offers superior throttle response, most free flowing, best idle control, and when setup correctly, the MAXIMUM overall gains in torque and horsepower at a desired RPM level.

That said, I am in way more than 600. The throttle bodies, with air horns, came out to around $1100. All said and done, it should come out to around 2000. And hp gains, if everything works correctly and gets tuned, will be over 60 and hopefully around 80hp to the crank. Along with headers, and someday cams and heads, this intake should add over 120 from the factory log with 6 30" long straws.

[bszopi]

if everything works correctly and gets tuned, will be over 60 and hopefully around 80hp to the crank.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see that happening anytime soon. Especially since you are (or at least have been) relying on someone else to make a chip for you. In order to properly tune a system like you are discussing, you will need a pretty decent standalone system. One that will allow for each cylinder to be independently tuned (they are out there, although I'm not going to tell you where... ). You can get by with a stock ECM, but don't expect to make an additional 60hp. And even if you do, how will it look across the band? Will the car even be able to get out of its own way at low RPMs?

[Anonymous]

Yah I am actually a bit familiar with individual cylinder computers. I've installed 2 with some friends They worked great, but for the money, it isn't worth it UNTIL I have cams heads, and a built motor.

As for the low end, it of course is going to suck, but it will be enough to get a Fiero moving, and not have to ride the clutch all the way through 1st in order to not stall. Compare it now to a Civic SI's low end, compare it after the intake to a S2000's low end(or lack thereof)

Need I remind you of the 65hp TO THE WHEELS gain of the "dohc short runner intake project?" And rest assure my intake will be better than an aluminum box bolted to the LIM. And this was on a stock 3.4 dohc, asside from spring shims so he could rev up to 7600. He also played with his cams, coming to 8* retard intkae, 18* exhaust. I to will play with the cams a bit, but after I get the intake built and running. He did have a major power loss form 3500-5000, where the stock motor gets going. This is kinda what I am expecting. And he says, the 91-93 fuel/spark tables take care of themselves, leaving some(but not dramatic) room for improvement.

So we shall see, but he must have been doing somehting right....

[dykz34]

No way in hell you are going to gain that much. Plus, you are referring to 65hp at the wheels with an intake, cam timing, AND headers. Why do you expect to gain 60hp from just an intake?

[Anonymous]

I already have headers

And in the Fiero I will have newer, better headers.

And after the intake I will mess around with the heads and cams.

[dykz34]

First of all I am not building a manifold, it is simply an intake due to the fact that air is drawn into each cylinder form seperate and open areas.

Second it is BY FAR the best intake you can have on a car. No doubt. It offers superior throttle response, most free flowing, best idle control, and when setup correctly, the MAXIMUM overall gains in torque and horsepower at a desired RPM level.

That said, I am in way more than 600. The throttle bodies, with air horns, came out to around $1100. All said and done, it should come out to around 2000. And hp gains, if everything works correctly and gets tuned, will be over 60 and hopefully around 80hp to the crank. Along with headers, and someday cams and heads, this intake should add over 120 from the factory log with 6 30" long straws.

Yet, you just said this.... are you talking 60hp here or 120?!?! Make up your mind!

[Anonymous]

Since I dare not backtalk...

I'm HOPING/expecting 60-80hp without cams, but with enough tuning to get it running right, but not perfect.

But with P&P heads with 8,000rpm springs, and reground cams with specs to be determined, the intake should add over 120 over the stock plenum matched to the heads/cams mentioned above.


Just a question, but why can you not ever say anything positive about any of my projects? Sure I talk too early a lot. But as with my headers, they got done, have been working better than anyone ever expected and for nearly a year now, yet you still couldn't say so much as "they look good." Instead I got/get "Aaron you're full of BS cuz I only saw the fronts on the car. But I did see the rear header, but it never got on the car so I still think you are just full of BS."

Is it that hard to imagine that a 18yr old student can weld and follow the curves determined by him from a piece of copper pipe?

I mean it goes back to If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it. Sure I'm being optimistic, and making under-educated guesses on the hp gains, but he asked, so I gave him my best guess. A bit on the optimistic side? Maybe...TOTALLY unrealistic? Not quite. Please dude, at least if you have to speak, say something like wow, I doubt you'll get that nearly that much, but good luck...

I'd think you, as a moderator of this performance oriented site and as a Z34 owner, would at least care and support the projects of others. And you can talk about dohcfiend's "Crazy intake idea," supporting it and trying to help out as much as you can. Hell he's bolting a different throttle body on. Not a big deal....But yet when I mention what I plan on doing, get as far if not farther along than him, all you can say is "bullshit Aaron becuz of how you talk on the iternet I don't think you are capable." All you do in every one of my posts is look for my most minor mistake, or correctiuon of previous thinking, just so you can get the hint of bullshit. Well becuz I have learned, Ben offered 60*v6 as a place to host a few pics of the new intake, and I will send him more than a few pics of it. But I am absolutely positive that if you say anything at all, it will be something along the lines of "Aaron, those won't ever fit and you'll never get them to work." I'm done now becuz I have to return this laptop to OSU's library becuz I spent every dime I have on 6 BEAUTIFUL throttle bodies. Or am I still talking bullshit?