The Great Debate!

[CNCguy]

I for one agree with Brad for the most part. The US leads the world in money given to other countries, almost always sends the most troops, our economy drives the worlds economy. France and Germany both are trying to use thier influence and veto power in NATO to try to weaken the US's power and position in the world and thereby increase the power of the EU. It's strictly a power play, nothing more. The US and its citizens should put our needs and safety first.

As for Moore, he is a biased moron and I'm sure that his followers on this board have not watched Fahrenhype 9/11 or checked out the misleading inuendos portrayed in his movies. Most of them prefer to believe lies and propaganda instead of getting the facts.

http://www.moorewatch.com/

http://www.mooreexposed.com/

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/ (article by Christopher Hitchens, a democrat)

[PlatinumZ34]

Im not a micheal moore follower, its obvious most of what he says in his movie is bullshit, and the rest extremely exagerated. But it does need to be said simply because NBC and FOX are putting out the complete opposite message exagerated even more. Im surprised we aren't seeing news clips of george bush single handedly capturing 18 Iraqi's and then wrestling 2 alligators and 3 anaconda's at once. One thing you all have to realise is that everything you see on TV is produced, plain and simple, for every 20 hours of footage they use 1 minute, or something to that effect, you see what they want you to see. Plain and simple. Im taking several media classes, argue if you want.

And remember, as George W once said "It's written in the constitution... Its NOT written in the constitution"... And thats what he said, im not sure where he was going with that.

And then micheal moore turned that into "I'm going to burn the constitution, and then NOT kill you, but kill your whole family" which he later released on George W, the story of a mad man.

I dislike moore more than bush, but i think they're both fags.

And Canadians SHOULD be involved, whatever happens to the US happens to us in the end, actually, whatever happens to the US happens to the world now pretty much, since you have like 48 nuclear bombs and all... Worthwhile for the world? We were one of the first countries to have a worldwide dispatched counter-terrorism unit, its called JTF-2 just so you know, most people dont know it exists because they're not supposed to, Canada admitted its existance in 95? i believe and it was the only time they've spoken of it, i've read somewhere that Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six is actually loosely based on the JTF-2. Also ask some europeans if Canada has ever done anything for them, hate to make another referance to world war II but oh well.

"An ignorant person is more persuasive than an expert in the company of ignorants" -Socrates ... haha good quote brad

PS: This was a bad idea for a topic lol, everyones going to be opinionated and on forums, there is no middle ground, its your opinion or no opinoin. This is why democratic elections are kept anonymous.

[bszopi]

Just cause I like to argue and piss people off....

John Kerry thinks we are outsourcing too many job and feels we need to bring jobs back to the US. What is one of the countries we outsource to? Canada. So all the Canadians are for someone who wants to pull jobs out of Canada... Sounds like a good plan to me!

[Lyle's GTP]

I just hate the fact that you can't buy anything that isn't made in China, Vietnam, Malasia, Indonesia or somewhere like that. But yet, all the best stuff is made in Europe, USA or Canada. Even in automotive, all the shity castings and lemons are manufactured in countries like Mexico and China. Volkswagon for example has been producing more and more less reliable cars in recent years. I don't think it's coincidence that they have out sourced a hugh percenteage of there manufacturing to Mexico and China.

One other company the recently pissed me off was Roots clothing. They are a great Canadian company know for there excellent quaity. They have recnetly out sourced ALL there manufacturing to china. You can bet top dollar the the quality will drop and the prices will most certainly continue to increase. Then consider that they dumped a shit load of employees over that as well. I guess that's cool, if they all move to China.

Lyle

[bszopi]

Gee... I can't wait until terrorism is only a nuissance!!

How is it even possible to compare terrorism to gambling and prostitution?!?!

Please Kerry supporters... explain that one.

[RednBlack]

Just cause I like to argue and piss people off....

(That's why I started this thread! So I can watch everyone argue. ) Not supporting Kerry or his policies, but I wish the "Swiftvets" would quietly disappear. Cause personally, I think they are full of shit!