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    Well... having had to lump my son's last Birthday and missed Christmas gift belatedly into one package so to speak due to some constraints on my wallet, I've been troubled over the last few months with trying to help him achieve and acquire the Gaming hardware which his ardour for seems unending. Naturally... everything was pointing towards a sky-high cost for a Gaming Box based on the Intel i7 platform, with Intel Quad Core procs, Big Ram, Fast SATA HDs, Dual SLI High End Graphics Cards, etc... and the more I added things up...the more impossible it seemed to achieve.

    But... having poked around what all fuss about the i7 CPU was and keeping my ear on the railroad track listening for an approaching "Iron Horse" of a good deal, I discovered some very intersting things. For example, there are very few differences in the performance levels of the i7 processor family when compared to the Xeon Business Grade Work Stations, which when compared to the average PC is like comparing a toothpick to a Lousiville Slugger.

    Now mind you...all of this information was held in abstract in my thinking... until this week when I started looking for the pricing on Xeon Processors just to get a feel for their value and performance levels and I stumbled first upon a few in combo with old Intel Used Server Boards out of some blade systems and then realized that none of those supported even one PCIE graphics, let alone a pair in either SLI or CrossFire. And that lead me to look at some actual Dell Work Stations... and Voila!...I stumbled upon THIS only a few minutes before the bidding war that was ongoing was to end:

    Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Dell Precision 690 2x Intel Xeon Dual-Core 3.0GHz 16GB 1.5TB HDD SATA # 106A at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!


    I looked at the slow incremental climb that the bidders were engaged in and when I saw all of the features and components listed in the offering, I thought I'd better sit up straight in my seat and get serious about trying to steal this thing right from under everyone else's nose(s) when there were only a few minutes left and the price was around $225.00... So....when the timer hit 1:20secs... I slammed a $450 bid on the pile and watched the rest of the peeps fully engage against each other in an act of total futility trying to catch up to me... and when the bidding clock ran out... I had won the box for around $325.00... And while I just know that a few of these guys were calling me names late into the night...soooo....wellllll...F*ckem... next time... don't start bidding up the prices on what you want three weeks B4 the damned sale is over!

    And so, since I've already obtained two matched PCIE 16x nVidia 560 TI 1Gig Graphics Cards at $175.00 per card on eBay... my thinking now is that with the installation of the Dell SLI Riser for them, I might be able to turn this Quad Core Xeon Box (actually...it will expand to Eight Cores!) into a fairly strong...actually...one untiring machine. I would like to know if anyone else has approached the gaming box build in this manner as welll and perhaps provide me with some hints or tips on the set up.
    Last edited by 60dgrzbelow0; 03-03-2012, 03:05 PM.

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    Sounds like a nice build, Bob.

    I was going to use my tax money to build a new box, but we didn't get as much as I though we were, so I got this Sony Tablet S instead. Snatched it up with 5 minutes to go on my phone while following the Mrs. in the grocery store. It was hardly used and in mint condition for $355 vs the new price of $499 (32Gb model).

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    • #3
      a pair of 560s?

      beats me, i was planning on grabbing a single HD6770 since there's one on newegg for $80 after a rebate w/free shipping.

      octo-core, man things are getting crazy these days.
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      • #4
        Wow... Jon...You did very well on that! I just can't believe I snagged this box for $325.00 ... This is the very same, identical machine being built from scratch by a youtube Gamer/System Builder. I should like to mention that there may be many more of these Dell Precision 690 Workstations out there on eBay...the refurbish parts, motherbaords, assorted Xeon Dual and Quad Core processors, cables, u-name-it... they're all there ...and are all DIRT CHEAP too!:

        This the overview video on his machine as he built it just like the one I got:

        This was a custom build I did for a guy who needed it for high end music and video editing. What went into it:•1000w PSU•Two Xeon quad core processors at 3.2...



        ...and here is another identical box being built in stages by the same Dude for one of his customers:



        It looks like the dual nVidia 560 TIs I'm putting in will SCREAM with two Xeon Quad Core CPUs (8 Hyperthreading Cores...OUCH!) and 16 Gigs of ECC Ram... I can't wait for this hardware to arrive.. (Bob makes a Stupid, Giggly noise like a girl... now... It is just too bad that Linux does not offer a path for Gamers... I am going to wait and see what kind of OS is loaded on one of the three SATA drives inside that box...I might start out just using a seperate new SATA drive to install Fedora 16 64 bit OS on it just to see what it will do with the Linux OS and later install Windows 7 64 Bit for "The Boy" once I've thrashed out any system build bugs and cleaned up everything inside and out. Can you imagine it... these workstations support up to 64 Gigabytes of Ram! Jesus Palomino...say..."Bye Bye to BSODs" LOL.
        Last edited by 60dgrzbelow0; 03-03-2012, 03:07 PM.

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        • #5
          I was going to go Asus for the motherboard and an AMD 8 core for mine. As for hard drives, I was going to do an SSD for the system and probably 3 1TB in striped RAID w/ parity for storage/applications. I have Windows 7 (32bit pro) on this pc, and I love it. I hated Vista, but I think MS did 7 justice.
          -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
          91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
          92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
          94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
          Originally posted by Jay Leno
          Tires are cheap clutches...

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          • #6
            I always like Asus MB's as they do not lock overclocking.
            1996 Grand Prix | 3100v6 L82 | T04E-50 Turbo | Getrag 282 w/ EP LSD | SPEC-3 Clutch

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            • #7
              The pc I'm on now I built probably close to 6 years ago has an Asus MB. A8N32-Sli Deluxe, AMD socket 939 x64 X2 dual core cpu, forgot the model though, but 2.0Ghz stock speed, but for the last 5-6 years has been running 2.7Ghz on air cooling with a Freezer Pro 64 cooler/fan unit. I like Asus a lot.
              -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
              91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
              92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
              94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
              Originally posted by Jay Leno
              Tires are cheap clutches...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by pocket-rocket View Post
                The pc I'm on now I built probably close to 6 years ago has an Asus MB. A8N32-Sli Deluxe, AMD socket 939 x64 X2 dual core cpu, forgot the model though, but 2.0Ghz stock speed, but for the last 5-6 years has been running 2.7Ghz on air cooling with a Freezer Pro 64 cooler/fan unit. I like Asus a lot.
                I'm working on an almost identical machine... except that instead of M$ Windoze 32 Bit.... I'm moving right along FOC (Free Of Charge) using a PERFECT 64 Bit Operating System:

                Fedora 16

                It never breaks...or gets out of date...or costs even a thin dime and it lets that AMD X2 do its job as advertised. If you have an extra drive...perhaps you could install it on that one...If not you can always download and run the Live ISO at Boot Up and see what all the fuss is about with Linux. It is very Windows Like on the Gnome Desktop and Fast as Hell when installed. Here is where it can be found:

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                • #9
                  Ah yes, linux is great. I started on Ubuntu long ago, moved to backtrack.
                  1996 Grand Prix | 3100v6 L82 | T04E-50 Turbo | Getrag 282 w/ EP LSD | SPEC-3 Clutch

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                  • #10
                    Okay... just a hardware update since my last posting on the use of Dell Precision Work Stations in lieu of building the more expensive and limited HW based on the single I7 chip:

                    I have been inside such a big bubble of astonishment at what happened after building and firing up my first Dell Precision Work Station Machine that has eventually grown to a total of four of these amazingly powerful boxes! The first variant (Dell Precision 690) lead me to investigate their more contemporary Dell Precision T7400 Model that are all over eBay like a f*cking rash and obtainable at incredibly low prices! I picked up two T7400 computers for around $200.00 per system and gradually populated them with between 16 and 32 Gigs of ECC Ram, dual 500 GB SATA Drives and some fairly high end nVidia Graphics Cards. On the processor side, I managed to obtain two sets of two low power consumption L5420 Quad Xeon Processors that make anything and everything I have ever constructed and run compare like a Gypsy Moth to an SR-71... To put this performance into perspective... When I started to demonstrate to my son how smoothly and easily these machines can be used for everything from a super file server...to a powerful gaming box...to my main interest...a TRUE Multi-Media Center machine... He was a bit sceptical. He mentioned that even with his having Dual nVidia 560 TI SLI Mounted Gaming Cards...that all of his Matroska (MKV) videos were choppy, pixelated and broken up during portions of high levels of scene changing content... I laughed aloud and said... "Son ... when this Baby hits 88MPH...You're gonna see some Serious Sh*t..."

                    First... I loaded (1) 1080p video... He smiled... and said..." Cool Dad...no chopiness...very impressive..." and I replied..." Watch this..." Then I loaded the (2) 1080p Video... Then a third (3) 1080p video and finally a fourth (4) 1080p Video...and his jaw just dropped... He was watching all four high definition videos playing simultaneously on a 47" High Def 1080p TV ...and finally he just let out a laugh and said, "Dad... I can hear all four high definition audio tracks playing at the same time..." I just smiled and said..."Yup...it really is amazing what Dual Quad Xeons and 32 Gigs of RAM in a Bullet-Proof Server are capable of, Son..." So if you want to stop all the HW "Mickey Mouse" and get the most bang for your computing buck and have more fun than you have EVER had in your collective experiences with computers... consider buying a machine that can handle all the way up to 128 Gigabytes of ECC RAM...and no matter what you throw at it...you won't make even so much as a dent in these Babies... Oh...and how about RAM upgrades at 8 Gigs for only $66.00? Trust me...you have just GOT to get one of these to play with!

                    Here is what you are after... (you will need at least (1) early XEON CPU to do your BIOS upgrade with first in either variant below from DELL before bumping to the hotter "bigger" XEON procs or they will NOT be recognized by the earlier BIOS!) The cases might look identical between the Dell 690 and T7400 flavours..but the MOBOS and other HW internally, including their CPUs are NOT interchangeable!!!

                    CPUs for the 690 = 51XX or 53XX (Recommend the Quad Core E5345) (SLI Capable with MBO insert upgrade)

                    CPUs for the T7400 = 52XX or 54XX (Recommend the Quad Core L5420) SLI READY...Stock as a Clock)

                    Dell Precision 690---- With Dual E5345 Quad Core Xeon CPUs and 16 Gig of Ram (These are available as Bare Bones for around two bills and up) Handles only ECC Server RAM up to 64 Gigs and 2 Terabytes of HD Storage.
                    Dell Precision T7400--With Dual L5420 Quad Core Xeon CPUs and 32 Gig of Ram (These are running around two to four bills) Handles up to 128 Gigs of ECC Server RAM and 2 Terrabytes of HD Storage.

                    By the way.. these are the MOST Popular Servers in the World... and that translates into having loads of systems, components and parts for easy and inexpensive upgrades...look at this:



                    I am running all four of these machines on Linux: Fedore 16 64 Bit Gnome Version...Very smooth installations in each "case"!

                    EDIT:

                    The indigenous Linux "Neauvoux" (sp?) graphics driver does NOT recognize any of the higher end cards in the range of the EVGA GEforce 5XX TI GPUs and a basic nVidia card must be used for the initial Linux OS installation in any variation you choose (Fedora, LinuxMint, Ubuntu...etc...) After that...just visit the nVidia site to download their latest tested and approved Linux driver (.bin) file and follow any of the good "nVidia Geforce 550-5XX TI Cards vs. Linux" problem posts for the full EZ instructions on how to install the new, native nVidiai drivers and "blacklist" the "NEWVOH" stock Linux driver in the GRUB.conf file (Grand Unified Boot Loader)... and after that, just shut the server box down and install the single, high end nVidia Gaming card; remembering that you might need two (2) PCI-E power connectors to make it work right per card ...and as yet...I have not doped out how to convert some of the available proprietary Dell power supply wiring in the 1,000 Watt version to handle two of those cards and NOT fry them from mis-wiring the set up!
                    Last edited by 60dgrzbelow0; 04-22-2012, 02:24 PM.

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                    • #11
                      I have been off the forum for a few weeks and missed an interesting PM from a new member that I thought deserved posting here with additional explanations here in the original thread:

                      Hey 60 degrees,

                      Many thanks for the detailed description of your 690 & 7400 builds. It's funny that I am asking for your help on a GM site lol!!! In any event, thanks to the web, I stumbled upon your extremely useful information and I would love your advise. I own an almost new 690 which I got for almost nothing.

                      The current configuration is as follows:

                      - 750 watt chassis
                      - MY171 A01 Board
                      - Xeon 5355 2.66ghz Quad Core (x1)
                      - 4gb memory (4x 1gb)
                      - Nvidia Quadro NVS 285 gpu
                      - Win XP 32bit


                      I am proposing the following:

                      - 2nd Xeon 5355 qc 2.66ghz
                      - 32gb ram
                      - GTX 680 GPU (want to run 3-4 monitors)
                      - SSD ~250 gb for OS
                      - 3x 2tb WD 7200rpm drives for everything else
                      - Windows 7 64bit

                      I have posted this request elsewhere and for the most part it was suggested that I was wasting my time and money given the vintage of the system, ram and processors. I want to use this system for simple and basic video editing, and Photoshop. I do not game at all. Though I can appreciate the speed of obsolescence it seems ridiculous to me that this system was amongst the fastest just a few years ago and is now identified as being incapable of running Adobe Premier to edit some GoPro videos of friends and kids. I haven't purchased a video suite yet and given that I do not plan on putting George Lucas out of business, I could install any basic video editing software and be able to accomplish my goals.

                      It appears that you have dissected both the 690's and the newer "T" series and as such should I have any issues up-grading my system and more importantly will it work? I am concerned about the 750watt p/s should I be? Of course on the web it suggests that all of the extra goodies are only available at the time of purchase from Dell and with the 1000 watt p/s chassis only. I speak of the 2nd ram riser and the ability to sli link 2 gpu's. Am I correct in my assumptions or can I upgrade the p/s, or purchase the sli riser to link 2 cards. The Quadro FX 4500's are cheap and two of them would enable me to connect 4 monitors.

                      Lastly through your research have you found a supplier for the aforementioned upgrades that you would suggest.

                      Again thank you so much in advance for firstly taking the time to document your efforts and also in answering my specific questions. Though I am not on a super strict budget, you have Cleary demonstrated that greater enjoyment is realized when we are able to recycle, save a few dollars and still create awesome performance. I anticipate that I will spend close to a grand when I am done but again as you have proven, not a better system currently exists at that price point.


                      Thank you

                      Paul


                      Paul... You can accomplish what you want to do with Video editing just fine on your Dell 690, although it might make more sense to build your system for the family TV room as a MMC (Mult-Media Center) and a vehicle for easy access to the internet via your Big Screen TV and concentrate on finding a fairly complete Dell T7400. Otherwise, if you insist on improving the Dell 690... here are some of the limitations to consider:

                      1. Even if you bump your 750 Watt Power Supply, you must remember that Mike Dell never uses standard, off-the-shelf hardware and this includes the fact that as a server power supply, even the higher end 1,000 Watt unit does NOT come with enough PCI-E power connectors to run the bigger nVidia cards like the EVGA GEForce 560-580 TI cards in SLI because those cards require two (2) PCI-E power connectors per card. The CAUTION here is that you might wire an adapted PCI-E harness incorrectly and turn $600 worth of SLI cards into Sofa Skids!

                      2. Your idea about using Dualees of the nVidia FX flavors WILL work but you will require a 1,000 Watt version of the PS to ensure a stable operation. The key here is to understand that your server box is built like a f*cking batteship... and the Dell 690 has three HUGE cooling fans (albeit quiet as church mice courtesy an air volume/velocity sensor nearby to regulate these windmills) that suck in huge quantities of air through the thick, open steel grill in front in order to get rid of the thermal nightmare that Dual Qual Xeons and 16-64 Gigs of Red-Hot ECC RAM creates out of the equally sturdy grilled ass-end of the machine...not to mention the close SLI arrangement you would have to set up on your SLI Riser Adapter in order to get the two FX cards installed with the Full Adaption Kit that requires a complete rear chassis replacement (the parts are included in the SLI Kit for around a Bean ($100).

                      3. Everything you need to do this can either be bought one piece at a time....or if you are very clever...by just buying an entire second system that you can scavenge parts from at the lower price for the older system...and always... eBay is where to search, find and lurk on these parts to make either your best bid or "Buy It Now" purchases and populate your Dell 690 without breaking the bank. Start looking for a quad Xeon "pair" of higher end processors. You should only use a perfect matched set...even if you have to park the original to get a matched pair at around $60-150.
                      Last edited by 60dgrzbelow0; 04-21-2012, 12:10 AM.

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                      • #12
                        honestly, the current config sounds more than adequate for what he wants to do...

                        i use my wife's desktop to transcode video all the time, i usually end up loading about 10 videos into AVIDemux and converting them in a giant batch, and that's only a Phenom X4 9500 with 8GB of DDR2-800. that plows through 10 ~45 minute videos simultaneously in short time.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by robertisaar View Post
                          honestly, the current config sounds more than adequate for what he wants to do...

                          i use my wife's desktop to transcode video all the time, i usually end up loading about 10 videos into AVIDemux and converting them in a giant batch, and that's only a Phenom X4 9500 with 8GB of DDR2-800. that plows through 10 ~45 minute videos simultaneously in short time.
                          I agree... but having seen what these damned boxes do with eight cores running in their own playground with a minimum of two Gigs of PC-5300FB 667 mhz RAM running on a 1333 FSB PER CORE... these boxes are specifically designed to handle very heavy math/calc applications and because of the manner in which all of the Xeons and their unique server boards interlace with as much as 64 Gigs of ECC RAM on the Dell 690 and up to 128 Gigs of ECC on the Dell Precision T7400 (contemporary pricing was $8,000 back in 2007) make it simply impossible for even a souped up standard PC that can never, ever hope to keep up with what they can do!


                          By the way... My Son finally called to tell me that even with running a single EVGA GEforce 560 TI on his Dual Quad Dell Precision T7400... his speed analysis software and HW tests done by all the online gaming sites to evaluate HW and interent connections... all his friends with the I7 Core boxes barely break a score of 5.6...whereas his machine got nothing less than a 7.2 and apparently... 7.4 is the highest attainable. I don't really know what that means...but he was beside himself with shock and surprised with the seamless graphics perfection at the very highest resolutions and the speed of everything and with his 40 megabit online speed...he is unstoppable...
                          Last edited by 60dgrzbelow0; 04-21-2012, 12:12 AM.

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