BED (Banana Equivalent Dose)

[60dgrzbelow0]

In the unlikely scenario that any of us would have to endure either a drastic nuclear accident; circa... Chernobyl or a direct nuclear attack from any of our enemies... there is one very unusual phenomena that would let you know right away if this was happening. In the case of big, air burst strike... were you sitting in your protected Bunker Room that was entirely dark... that space would briefly light up from the "Firefly-Like Glow" YOU, yourself would be giving off. The reason for this is because of the presence of so much phosphorous, potassium and calcium making up your skeletal structure. The "Glow Worm" effect would happen as excited photons in the elements in your bones were released from the impact with accelerated radioactive particles passing through them and would not last very long either.... and neither would you... because that much radiation penetrating any organic life form would shred the nuclei/DNA of each and every cell in your body and with no means to repair all that damage, your life would end in days, if not mere hours. Not to worry... if you are THAT close to such an explosion... first YOUR lights inside would go ON and then when the blast radius fills to the brim...it would be LIGHTS OUT!

This little video describes this phenomena fairly well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLyRJc1Bvu8&feature=related

Now most of you know that I'm about as optimistic a person as you will ever encounter and I pretty much look forward to life's challenges with at least one small smile on my ugly, old mug each day. And I was doing just that this afternoon...right up until the moment I stumbled upon THIS Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose

The article starts out in an almost humorous manner... I mean...really...you just about can't even say the word "banana" and not want to laugh about it? Right? Remember Raffi's middle speed of the three versions of this viral YouTube song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJTH5qIT-UI&feature=related

Cute, huh? Yeah... it was all great... until I realised from reading deeper through that Wiki that some of my sincere efforts at improving my health might be getting seriously adjusted downward because I eat a HUGE number of these Yellow Devils each day to replace my Potassium lost from enjoying very, very heavy amounts of regular physical exercise. (This subject of health, fitness and weight loss will soon appear in another video posting that might really surprise you...Remember Driver_10's post of his Epic Weight Loss? Well... my post will echo many of his sentiments and similar experiences as well).

But now... I'm worried a bit because I often consume complete hands of bananas a day! Anyhow... I thought this was an interesting article with questionable implications for me and perhaps others who like those damned things as much as I do! Oh...I'm sure I'm being a bit hyperbolic (mostly to push the humorous side of this envelope) but in reality, I live within 100 Miles of The Crystal River Nuclear Energy Plant that has been mysteriously shut down for the last two years, ostensibly because they found a "huge crack in their containment building" which they have tried and failed to repair... using their OWN DIY methods!

Huh? WTF! Hummmmnnn ... So now...whenever the winds prevail southward in my direction... I have to wonder about what wonderful things it might have brought along with with it. Not to worry...the Half-Life of Potassium-40 is only 1.25 Billion Years. Of course if THAT awful scenario plays out, God Forbid... then eating Naturally Radioactive Food will be the LEAST of my problems. Does anyone in our membership know how to make a Cheap Geiger Counter?

I think The Survivor Manual sez: "Bend Over as Far as You Can ...and Kiss Your Big Ass ...Good Bye!"

[TGP37]

I feel your pain. I had my lifetime limit of radiation 4 years ago for lymphoma treatments. Well, the cancer is gone (whoopie) but now I have to deal with the rest of my life and how to compensate for the damage done to keep me alive.

You can build a gieger counter, but it may scare you. After Fukushima, most of the lower 48 has been lightly "salted".

Everyone knows of iodine, which helps prevent uptake of radioactive iodine. What surprised many after Hiroshima and Nagasaki was some had a great resistance to the fall out. It was found Seaweed was great at removing harmful heavy metals from the body.

Pure brown seaweed extract works to remove heavy metals, radioactive elements, free radicals, strontium & cadmium.

Blue Green Algae, 8 grams of Chlorella daily caused a five-fold increase in the amounts of uranium, lead and cadmium that were eliminated

Black and Green tea has shown some protection from radiation.

Dandelions have fantastic ability to boost our cleansing system. Used in conjunction, one can boost the bodies ability to purge radioactive elements and heavy metals from the body.

REAL Colloidal Silver is great stuff. I take few doses when I feel like I'm getting sick and it knocks it right out. Skin won't turn blue like people claim, only if you consume large amounts on a daily basis of the bad colloidal silver products that use salts instead of true elemental silver.

And after any stress on the body, Milk Thistle is a blessing that removes bad liver cells and actual triggers the growth of new liver cells.


Above all that, you have the most important product to help remain healthy......a smile. Sounds gay but a positive attitude is a major factor in health.


btw, I was a few months old when I was exposed to the fall out from 3 Mile Island west of Philly.

[60dgrzbelow0]

This is the inevitable outcome when that stuff gets loosed upon the world...

http://video.pbs.org/video/2157025070

[Tbay99Venture]

In all sincerity, if you ware worried about it have an MRI series done. This will give the doctor a baseline of how your kidneys look, etc. Subsequently some years later if any suspicious areas are found they can refine the search. From what I recall, things like renal cancer are highly treatable when found early. Of course there's few symptoms until things are bad so getting a baseline image done with a checkup some point down the road would give you a lot more peace of mind.

[TGP37]

We are amazing creatures. We write the rules of the game, then play it.

I found it simple to do the best I can and be the best I can. Leaving everything else as fate.

There is amazing research that shows emotion directly interacts with DNA. Hard to understand at first, look up "The DNA Phantom Effect". Peter Gariaev, in 1985 has demonstrated this effect over and over again proving it very real. He created a powerful vacuum and measure light with a sensetive photometer. The photons were random and dispersed through out the vacuum as normally expected. Various objects had zero interaction, also as expected. BUT, DNA made ALL the photons align with the spiral. No questioning the DNA interacts with photons. And not some minor interaction, but near 99.5% of the photons measured were aligned. That alone was remarkable.

But then when the DNA was removed and tests continued, the photons remained aligned to the DNA sequence even after the physical DNA was removed. The vacuum was an essential part but it just eliminates a medium that hinders measurements, or something like that.

Anyways, emotion was shown to effect different ends of the photon spectrum. Love based emotions increased affinity for blue wave and fear based emotion had an affinity for red wave. It is believed the light spectrum, a medium for interaction with emotion on a DNA level. I believe it goes further, spirit and all that. But we can see our day to day emotions dictate which gene sequence is active. As different frequency caused resonance at different wavelengths energizing different areas of code.

Sorry to ramble off there........but I FIRMLY believe learning how to "love" more. Not the gay hippy love, peace BS. But just general peace inside ourselves, resolution of stressors, and the outlook we hold on life. Feel it and learn to make it stronger. Can't make any medical claims, legally.

[Tbay99Venture]

And don't forget that forums like this are part of that healthy outlook. Getting that daily drive running or getting past that one impossible mis-match that keeps your dream project from getting finished can wreck a day / week or worse. There's plenty of threads here were somebody was looking pretty bummed out and they get a reply about "I got one of those I don't need -- PM me and I'll ship it to you today."

The old Red Green adage: "We're all in this together."

[60dgrzbelow0]

From the archives of "Project Gutenberg" comes a downloadable nine part audio reading of eye witness accounts and the work done by the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers in doing their post-war follow up and comparative studies on the global implications of detonating atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The tinny, unemotional mechanical voice reading this stuff adds to the chilling information about what the engineers found and the after effects of the devastating events. This is not for the squeamish or faint of heart and the only thing worth adding here is the question of why, in the face of having had these horrific catastrophes literally dropped upon their heads did the Japanese imagine they could ever monkey around with setting up so many concentrated nuclear facilities along known tectonic and geological fault lines and not risk subjecting their people to this latter day nightmare as re-run on atomic death should the worst case scenario re-visit Nippon.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/6535/6535-index.htm

http://www.gutenberg.org/6/5/3/6535/

[TGP37]

Meltdowns are creepy man. Especially when the corium blob melts together and drips to the bottom of the containment chamber.

Ironically, at that point any attempts to cool it will only intensify the nuclear reaction. As any cooling will only bring the atoms closer together, which increases the immediate neutron's success rate of fissing the next atom. So an intense amount of radiation occurs very briefly, like a nuclear bomb stopped only a few nano-seconds into detonation. A lot of neutrons are released as a result, and this is the Neutron burst the media spoke of. So we KNOW atleast 1 reactor has fully melted down.

At this point, ambient temperature will determine the rate of fission. The corium blob stabilizes and releases radiation, heat, etc.

But the moment the containment chamber opens up, letting cool atmosphere in, the blob contracts. The meltdown now heats up and radiation release jumps up. Because of the cooling.

So that is the deadly irony. The core needs to be super heated to expand the atoms far enough where the immediate neutron releases ability to create another fission event is reduced below the current event number. But that is not possible with our technology.

So it must live it's meltdown life out. If it is entombed it will slowly fissile away. But pumpping water on it is a BAD idea once it gets to critical.


I think the US Military stepped in with some form of atomic disturbing devices. Intended to detere the reaction.

Who knows? I know i don;t trust the official story for nothing. I saw the containment vessel lid blow of reactor 3. That was NOT a hydrogen explosion in the roof of the structure. It was directed up from the containment vessel.

lie, lies and more lies.

BTW, the idiots were using MOX fuel in reator 3. A very dangerous fuel as it has plutonium added from antiquated weapons grade stockpiles. Fukushima is larger then Chernobyl by a large factor. And when those bastards put MOX fuel in reactor 3, they created a monster. They obviously didn't expect a meltdown but still.....MOX should be outlawed from use in standard reactors. it does fiss hotter.

[bszopi]

I will reserve my thoughts on all of this. My guess is I'm the only person on here who has actually operated a nuclear reactor, and don't believe most of the BS spread about how awful they are. Perhaps I am biased, since it was my job for 4 years to start-up, safely operate, and shutdown a nuclear reactor. Are there risks? Sure. There are also risks in flying, driving a car, mining for coal, drilling for oil...

[60dgrzbelow0]

I will reserve my thoughts on all of this. My guess is I'm the only person on here who has actually operated a nuclear reactor, and don't believe most of the BS spread about how awful they are. Perhaps I am biased, since it was my job for 4 years to start-up, safely operate, and shut-down a nuclear reactor. Are there risks? Sure. There are also risks in flying, driving a car, mining for coal, drilling for oil...

Brad... What an interesting thing to reveal about your skills set and experiences...and thanks for your honest self-appraisal. That revelation is amazing. Obviously it is hard for anyone outside of the "Nuclear Bubble" to completely understand these things. But the fact remains that these failures in Japan are real...and that part of the world will never be the same again...ever. I know a lot of stuff about a lot of things and I generally don't talk out of my a** about things I haven't researched and given deep thought to about most major subjects that raise my concern. The damaged and in need of repair Crystal River Nuclear Plant 100 miles north of my home concerns me. You should know that as a well read man, back in the 1980's, I read this book about the near meltdown of the first liquid Sodium metal cooled fast breeder reactor called "Fermi One" that almost destroyed the City of Detroit, Michigan . Here is this very book that covers the matter; arguably in a very even-handed manner, even though the title starkly poses itself as an edgy lead-on to read the damned thing as: "We Almost Lost Detroit!" One memorable chapter covered the fact that when one of the technicians that was trying to force a cadmium rod deeper into the core by hand in order to stop the reactor from running away, when the rod was pressurised by the escaping radioactive steam, the rod exploded upwards like a projectile and blew a hole through his chest/head area, naturally killing the man as he was pinned in the upper rafters by the forces of this explosion. IIRC, later they had to cut off his head and/or his hands because they were so radioactive, then they needed to be encased in concrete glass and buried separately inside of a 55 gallon drum that will remain radioactive for 550,000 years. What a horrible way to die while trying to do the right thing.

http://www.amazon.com/Almost-Lost-Detroit-John-Fuller/dp/0425067009

It is too facile to suggest that a comparison of risk between the automotive, aviation and petroleum or coal mining industries accidents represent anything vaguely close to the cascade of permanent damage to the world when something goes wrong in the nuclear energy realm. I cannot get my mind around the idea that, say for example , the problem of the GM Chevrolet Corvair being "Unsafe At Any Speed" as coined in the book by the same name as penned by the consumer advocate Ralph Nader is in the same league as the reactor meltdown at Chernobyl that to date has either killed directly or indirectly 985,000 human beings from early deaths from cancer... and now we face the more dangerous Fukishima debacle. It might seem like a very distant place... but since the yearly tsunamis that trouble that region often launch gigantic floating islands of debris that make their way across the Pacific Ocean and wind up washing up on the Western Pacific Coastline of the United States...perhaps we should take the matter to heart, Still.. I value your thoughts here and we should not imagine that nuclear energy is just some "Boogie Man" being conjured up in our imaginations... but is actually a very real Lucifer...who...once released from Hades... can walk about on the surface of the earth at will and destroy us without anyway to know when he is doing it with radiation that is odourless, colourless and tasteless....and essentially...endless.

[TGP37]

I will reserve my thoughts on all of this. My guess is I'm the only person on here who has actually operated a nuclear reactor, and don't believe most of the BS spread about how awful they are. Perhaps I am biased, since it was my job for 4 years to start-up, safely operate, and shutdown a nuclear reactor. Are there risks? Sure. There are also risks in flying, driving a car, mining for coal, drilling for oil...

I can appreciate what you say. I haven't operated a nuclear anything. What I know is from bits and pieces over the years. I did read a lot about immediate release and delayed release neutrons. And how power plants can slowly ebb the reaction by the control rods to gently adjust the number of fission events.

Am I accurate with my understanding?

Maybe it isn't the nuclear reactor itself I have anger towards in Fukushima. Rather the choices made leading to the disaster.

Using MOX fuel on a fault line near the 3rd largest financial capitol of the world...? Putting spent fuel rods above the reactor chambers?

I feel more could have been done to secure the plant better just in case. Or atleast have a rapid action plan to entomb the beast before it gets out of control.



One bone I do have with nuclear tech is this.........WTF do we do if the Sun hits us with a strong Carrington like event? You can power those generators only so long. The reactor can be shut down...but the spent fuel pool needs constant cooling or else it melts down in time. If the global power grid ever gets fried, God forbid, were all fucked more way then one. The eventual fall-out would be an ELE easily, imho. Unless I am missing something.

[60dgrzbelow0]

From the moment the Fukushima story started to unfold... all I kept hearing inside my head that day while watching the situations grow from bad to worse was this music. Somehow...it seems very appropriate to share its power here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE2muDZksP4

[TGP37]

Ah yes, I know that piece. I studied classical music theory for a few years to enhance my creative output on guitar.

When I saw reactor 1 explode, it looked like a typical hydrogen explosion from gases building up in the ceiling of the structure. But when reactor 3 exploded, it was not from the ceiling line. It was focused directly upwards and a very large object was ejected. I had the pics of that object in the roof of the building next to it. It was hard to see but it looked like the cap to the reaction chamber.

I just can not believe reactor 3's explosion was a hydrogen build up in the ceiling. The chamber blew wide open and there was MOX fuel in there.

MOX, mixed oxide fuel contains other oxide fissile materials. In this case it was plutonium from weapons plants. The fact they put that in a boiling water reactor, imho, was very stupid.

[60dgrzbelow0]

I hope Geoff..."Betterthanyou" is not close to this man's location:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2wLbwuJeMM&feature=related

[60dgrzbelow0]

Ah yes, I know that piece. I studied classical music theory for a few years to enhance my creative output on guitar.

When I saw reactor 1 explode, it looked like a typical hydrogen explosion from gases building up in the ceiling of the structure. But when reactor 3 exploded, it was not from the ceiling line. It was focused directly upwards and a very large object was ejected. I had the pics of that object in the roof of the building next to it. It was hard to see but it looked like the cap to the reaction chamber.

I just can not believe reactor 3's explosion was a hydrogen build up in the ceiling. The chamber blew wide open and there was MOX fuel in there.

MOX, mixed oxide fuel contains other oxide fissile materials. In this case it was plutonium from weapons plants. The fact they put that in a boiling water reactor, imho, was very stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrxmy6R3m90&feature=endscreen&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcdQ22wGzWY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsrik7HEvh8&feature=related

...and from 1982 an interesting interview (Public Access TV) concerning Three Mile Island and "We Almost Lost Detroit"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY2vOH1FDIk

...here NOVA re-visits the Chernobyl Scene in 1991

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8a3GHABedA&feature=related