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  • Bringing them back from the dead.

    What you need to know about Optima AGM batteries.

    An AGM battery is not like a typical lead/acid flooded battery. As we all know they can be mounted in any orientation you want. We also know they are a better battery than a typical lead/acid battery. What I didn't know until a week ago about them makes them even more special.

    If you have a typical lead/acid battery and it dips below 10 volts, most people that specialize in batteries will suggest that you replace it saying irreversible damage has happened, or the battery will no longer have it's stated capacity.

    Not wanting to run an extension cord out my garage out into the snow over the winter, my Optima red top in my car got forgotten about. A mistake I assumed cost me ~$160-180 for a new one. I've made this assumption before and traded in a dead Optima years ago. After doing some homework on the internet I found out just how special AGM cell batteries are. I found out they can be subject to a much deeper discharge (similar to deep cycle) than the norm of 10 volts of a lead acid battery and still be fine. So, having a couple chargers on hand, I put mine to the test.

    Fact: AGM batteries don't really care for fast charging rates of typical fast chargers.

    My charger has 2 amp, 10 amp, and 20 amp charging settings along with a 250 amp setting for engine starting. You may want your battery charged faster, but resist the urge. After arming myself with what I read about Optimas I set my charger for 2 amp charging. I was kind of skeptical if this battery would even function again after this because when I had measured it, it was down around 1.5 volts. My big honking battery was putting out nothing more voltage wise than a typical AA battery.

    I originally made the mistake of putting it on the 40 amp setting when I brought it into the garage, but in a days time it only made it up to about 3.5 volts when I made the discovery online about charging rates and such. As soon as I read multiple reports of success on a slower rate, I made my way to the garage and flipped the charger down to 2 amps around late afternoon. That evening I checked on it to see if the battery was getting hot and to check the state of charge. It was now up over 7 volts. The next day I checked it on the way to work and it was up to about 10-11 volts. Today I checked it after leaving the charger off for over a day to make sure I wasn't reading a surface charge and it read around 12.5 volts. Not too long ago I put the battery back in the car and it fired up the first try with a nice healthy charged battery sound. I don't expect that it will have 100% of its original capacity, but at least it's not going to cost me almost $200 to get a new one right now.

    That said, if you find your Optima dead as a doornail, what do you have to lose with trying a trickle charge first?
    -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
    91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
    92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
    94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
    Originally posted by Jay Leno
    Tires are cheap clutches...

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    Actually a fast charge is bad for lead/acid batteries too... The lower the Amps the better for the battery.. That's what is so nice about the Deltran Battery Tender, it will only charge as fast as your battery will take a charge... My Step Father was in the construction business and believed in the BIG wheel around chargers, high was probably 60-80 Amps... AND he believed that the HIGHEST setting was ALWAYS the best, even on a lawn tractor... He NEVER could get it through his head why he went through so many batteries!!!! Things used to boil dry!!
    At any rate, the lower the Amps the better... In the bike shop our charger put out about .5 Amps,,, not enough for a serious charge but, great for a 2 or 3 day refresher... My personal charger is 4 Amps and I wish it was 2.... Have to get one of those Deltrans for the Z34,, it isn't run enough to keep the battery charged....
    Later,,,,
    Tom....

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    • #3
      Thanks for the input I didn't realize slower was better all across the board for all types of battery and didn't even think of boiling the acid dry.

      I actually have one of these babies:





      It does 1 and 2 amp. That's what's on the Optima (and car) now. I think I'm going to pick up another 1 or 2 of them since they are so cheap, and integrate one into the car so it's always there and can't be misplaced. I was already contemplating running power out along my fence where the car is stored for something like this last night.
      -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
      91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
      92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
      94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
      Originally posted by Jay Leno
      Tires are cheap clutches...

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      • #4
        Yeah, more Amps make more heat and boiling... Really raises hell with the lead plates...
        $17!!! Holy shizam!!! The Deltrans are about twice that. AND you can only get them by going to Auto-Zone, Pep-Boys, ect and ordering,,, IN PERSON... No online ordering that I could find.... I'll have to compare the specs but, this sounds great!!
        Tom...
        Romex makes for a great extension cord, just put a plug and a socket on or just wire it into the breaker box with it's own breaker.. And you can run some pretty heavy stuff if you ever need to, specially if you got a place for another breaker box... Can even get direct burial Romex,, that's what my well is on...
        Last edited by walterdude; 07-20-2011, 02:35 PM.

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        • #5
          the battery in the wife's GP sat completely drained for about a year... cheap walmart battery. had it hooked up in the MC as an auxilary battery for a while, brought it back to life.

          it's capacity HAS been lowered, however, it still seems to be doing well enough to make it a DD for the past 2 years.
          1995 Monte Carlo LS 3100, 4T60E...for now, future plans include driving it until the wheels fall off!
          Latest nAst1 files here!
          Need a wiring diagram for any GM car or truck from 82-06(and 07-08 cars)? PM me!

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          • #6
            It isn't just the rate of charge in amps, but the charging voltage that compromise AGM's . Anything over 14.4 volts is bad for them. High speed charge settings are often 16-17 volts. We have an electronic charger at work and it has a setting for charging AGM's for this reason in that in keeps charging voltage under 14.5v.
            Jesse M.

            3x 1990 Turbo Grand Prix
            1987 Monte Carlo SS Aerocoupe

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