GAGT's $50 Challenge

[01GPGT]

Same could be said for GAOC.

Honestly, Spy's car I think was the only GA to hit 12's consistently, IIRC. And his was definitely a full interior, street legal car.

i am finding this out ever sense i got my GA most of what people post over there make me want to punch babies

i think here and FTV6 are the only two sites for the 60*v6 comunity with at least semi intelligent people.

[AleroB888]

Same could be said for GAOC.

Honestly, Spy's car I think was the only GA to hit 12's consistently, IIRC. And his was definitely a full interior, street legal car.

I don't think so, he deleted the CAT, deleted the AC, and what, dropped the clutch at 6000 off the line and the trans in the process?

Yes, consistent 12's for a short time, but not street legal.

[robertisaar]

LOL, i know one of the mods on FTV6 didn't appreciate it when i called the 3800s outdated shitpiles.

[AleroB888]

huh i find it odd no one has doen it yet? the GP's are hitting low 11's and they wiegh alot more.

to bad i am not able to compete i just bought a 01GAGT with a bum motor

The stock trannies are weak, and the ones with built ones or swaps are very few.

[01GPGT]

did not know about the weak trans but i am use to weak trans stupid 4t65-E and exploding on me when my car was stock with 200hp.

my plan for this car "Project Cheap Beater" is to swap in a 5 speed just like i was going to do to the GP. i figure if you can swap a getreg in to a 2 gen W-body you can swap it into a car that actualy had it as an option (even though it was for the 4 cylinder cars)


hmm i think i know which mod

basicly it's just the 3800 has such a huge aftermarket (the 60* is catching up though) it makes up for it's old tech.

[AleroB888]

that site has become one huge joke. most of the people that post don't even own a Grand Am anymore.

i can't really think of anything informative to come from that site in the last 3-4yrs.

Well, I like to think I had some innovative stuff on there, but I'm probably not the person to ask....I did sell my GrandAm

[[ChaosweaveR]]

i am finding this out ever sense i got my GA most of what people post over there make me want to punch babies

i think here and FTV6 are the only two sites for the 60*v6 comunity with at least semi intelligent people.

GAGT is one thing, but GAOC just makes the rest of the GA ownership look like tasteless, weakminded idiots.

At least on GAGT, people have a sense of humor.

But yeah, I'd say 85% of the regulars don't have a GA.

Speaking of FTV6, I need to lurk more over there again. lol

[geldartb]

Same could be said for GAOC. .

yeah true but at least a majority of the people who post own GA's. for the moderation team though i don't think many of them own GA's anymore.

i'm not saying one site is better than the other but you know it's kind of funny when 90% of the posting population doesn't own a GA anymore. Grand Am or N-body specific sites have kind of died off or just aren't what they use to be.

i use to lurk on FTv6 and ma registered over there.

[HOYS]

I don't think there is a big difference between GAOC and GAGT.

Most Grand Am owners are about my age. They would rather buy paint and make their interiors look like sh*t or tint their tail lights.

Hell, a good bit of them I bet have never done any maintenance to their engine other than changing their oil.

Most of my spare money goes to buying PERFORMANCE parts for the GA. In the past few months I've bought and sold a 3400 block, bought a 3500 SB, a 65mm TB, aluminum control arms (Not much performance, but...better) and other misc. parts. The Grand Am community right now is not about performance, and this contest is a joke with its rules. 12.9's or below with only a show room engine? These cars weren't born as performance vehicles. Show me a car in the same vehicle class/size from the same time frame that costs about the same, that can do below 13's with less than 10 grand in modifications. There are a few, but not many. For these cars to do below 13's, your looking at putting in at least that much money. Winning $50 or even $555 bucks for spending 10 grand? You'd have to be crazy to think that is a good prize.

[SappySE107]

10 grand? How did you come up with that number?

[bszopi]

I doubt neither Schweppe or Spy have invested anywhere near $10k, and they have both run 12-sec, hence the reason they are called out to have to run 11.5 (although I think it has changed to 11.99). Besides, I highly doubt anyone is doing it for the money...

[HOYS]

Well, my browser borked and deleted my whole post. Essentially, I might be a bit off base with the 10,000 dollar figure, but I am not very far off. Transmission swap to keep an N-body running for at least more than the two required passes, forced induction (Show me an N/A 3400 build in an N-Body that puts out enough HP to get these cars down the track in less than 13 seconds), and heads. This will cost around 5,000 dollars at dirt cheap prices. Thats for three components albeit large components. Everything else to support these modifications (Ported intakes, larger TB, tuning, slicks, etc....etc....) will put you within spitting distance of 10,000.

This is all for the 3400, I'm not up to snuff on Q4 improvements and performance parts (I've never found the info, but is spy using a 2.4 block with a LG0 head or a LGO block?)

If you disagree with this, I would like to see a build you come up with that will work.

[geldartb]

1400 for race boost 3500 heads
470 for cam and pushrods
230 for the comp 3500 manifold set
55 for t-body adapter
230 for tbody
180 for all the gaskets gaskets
114 for all the bearings
180 for head studs
674 for pistons
using a 3400 bottom end
3533 for all this

even with all that some of which may not be necessarily and your not even near 5k. now lets say you have to buy a new engine well say around 500-600 for that and still not near 5k.

even with getting all the stuff to upgrade the transmission well figure 500 for that minus an LSD which is 600

with all that your right around the 4500-5k mark. now if you do the work yourself install won't cost you anything or if your a shop whore then you can kiss a good chunk of money goodbye on a shop

[HOYS]

(Show me an N/A 3400 build in an N-Body that puts out enough HP to get these cars down the track in less than 13 seconds)

*cough*

[[ChaosweaveR]]

For the GA's ownership age range, that's generally the problem as far as the choices in mods go. 17-20 year old kids don't exactly know performance either, well the majority at least.

Sadly, to see them all just paint their interior bits and want sound systems, it's just lame.

This contest is so out of reach for the majority, it's not even funny. So many pipe dream threads of turbo/supercharger threads pop up, as well as L36/L67 swap threads (lulz ensue) and nobody finishes anything.

I've seen only two guys pull through on manual trans swaps for the LA1 powered N-bodies, and I know of four boosted GAs that pulled through on their builds and had a nice end result.

But the dated N-body is just too finiky to work with, especially when there's other cars to easily be made faster for less money.

IMO, L61 powered N-bodies with five speeds do have a lot of potential with boost, but nobody's ever done up a turbo L61 build, as far as what I've seen on the GA specific sites go.