the bosch quality strikes again

[geldartb]

ok well i knew bosch stuff sucked and when i took the car out today on the way home i got a p0133 code. i was like 5 minutes from the garage and the SES light came on.

slow response from the o2 sensor. first time ive seen the code but before the car hits the road again next year its getting a new denso o2 sensor.

did some googling of the p0133 code and i got alot of its a characteristic of Bosch sensors.

im surprised it lasted this long but wth i havent had it in there that long maybe a year if that and maybe a couple thousand hard miles this summer.

[IsaacHayes]

LOL damn. Yeah when I finally decided to change the O2 sensor because the raw gas fumes at the drive through was choking me out, I went to the parts store and all they had was Bosch. It was uber expensive, and I had heard to stay away from them. So I said screw it, I'll order one online and wait, and then just got a Denso at sparkplugs.com for cheap. I'd heard the Denso's last a long time even with leaded race fuel. I'm glad I chose that. I think the new GM O2's are Denso's too, like the sparkplugs are NGK..

I do have bosch spark plug wires though.... LOL when I first got the car I got them cause they were the cheapest, held up fine until this year when I replaced (free warranty) them due to rusty terminals inside and high resistance.

[geldartb]

i should have waited and ordered it online but i was impatient and had to have it that day.

i looked at sparkplugs.com and they werent bad only like $40 or so for the denso one.

i still get some gas fumes but its not nearly as bad as it was when i first started driving this thing. i expect a little gas smell with the cam.

i like the looks it gets when im driving through the parking lot. people are like wtf is that.

looks like NGK makes an o2 sensor but it's like $60 where as the denso is on sale for under $40. hopefully the sale holds out for a few weeks.

[geldartb]

would it be possible to re-wire the sensor i got with the 05 3400 for my 99 engine harness.

the changed the inside of the plugs but the physical plug is the same. hmm gonna have to look into that one. got the virtually brand new o2 sensor that i got with the new engine when i got it

hmm who has pinouts of the 05 impala with the 3400 and the 99 grand am 3400

[IsaacHayes]

Not sure. IIRC there was some issue with either the 3500 CTS or the 3500 O2's that didn't read the same as the obd1-obd2 stuff. Just remember you can't solder to that wire. It's some crazy alloy. Crimp only.

[1988GTU]

You have to helic arc the wires together to fuse them to make one.

[geldartb]

well its all obd-2 so no problem there. im using the 3500 cts 05 pontiac g6 in my car now.
i forgot i had alldata for the Grand am so i got the 99 pinout, now i just need to 05 one

[geldartb]

who has alldata that could look that up for me and post the pic up here. i need the connector pinout pic.

[IsaacHayes]

Right, but you can use a 4wire OBD2 O2 in an OBD1 car just fine. (knock sensors, no). But IIRC superdave had issues with the 3500 O2 sensor giving weird readings or something. Like they operated differently or was a different range?

RobertSaar could hook you up with pinouts.

[sprucegagt]

You can't use the 01 and up O2 sensor in a 99 - 00 N body. Not only is the pin out different, I think they changed the frequency response on the newer sensors. That makes the older PCM's think it's bad, thus you get a DTC.

[robertisaar]

RobertSaar could hook you up with pinouts.

for the time being, any GM car or truck from 82-02, i can do, newer and i don't have access to it... yet.

[geldartb]

You can't use the 01 and up O2 sensor in a 99 - 00 N body. Not only is the pin out different, I think they changed the frequency response on the newer sensors. That makes the older PCM's think it's bad, thus you get a DTC.

they couldnt just leave it alone could they.

ah well the crap will stay in for the time being. not gonna be driving the car anyway.

i got a few months to get it. not in a hurry on that one.

[3400-95-Modified]

Odly enough my wideband O2 is a Bosch and I rely on that thing for the life of my motor. Also I have not heard of those failing... Maybe its just their narrowband's and Sparkplugs that suck on these motors.

[carbon]

Odly enough my wideband O2 is a Bosch and I rely on that thing for the life of my motor. Also I have not heard of those failing... Maybe its just their narrowband's and Sparkplugs that suck on these motors.

Narrowbands are cheaper to make... Wideband O2s are higher end... just like there is a big difference between standard Sony and Sony ES audio equipment...

My guess would be that all companies sell some version of crap in a box somewhere in their product lineup.

[sprucegagt]

Yeah the Bosch wideband O2 sensors have a great reputation. I use one as well. It's only the narrowband O2 and plugs that cause problems.