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  • Speeding breaks the law? No, it's an infraction!

    Found this while looking for info on my new work car. Thought I'd share.


    Here are some misc. tips I found on the net
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    Secrets the Cops, the Courts, and the Insurance Companies Don't Want You to Know
    Disclaimer: This page was originally found on the NMA Page , and all credit is given to them.

    1.The purpose of insurance is to cover unusual risk. Since the act of exceeding an unreasonably low limit is hardly unusual or dangerous, the risk assumed by the insurance company is nearly non- existant. Therefore, any surcharges issued for speeding tickets are almost pure profit.

    2.The profits that an insurance company generates from speeding ticket surcharges allow them to purchase more radar and laser guns to give away free to law enforcement agencies. This allows the police to ticket more people, which in turn ensures a constant flow of revenue to the insurance company. The units will perform their revenue-enhancement duties for 3-5 years, having paid for in less than one.

    3.Thousands of speeding tickets are issued by traffic law enforcers who don't know or care how to properly operate radar, VASCAR, or other speed-measurement devices. They are ignorant of proper operating procedures, performance characteristics, and common malfunctions or errors.

    4.Traffic ticket fines are the cash cow of the court system. No other class of "crime" is as profitable for stateand local governments as is that of traffic tickets. Traffic courts cannot be fair and unbiased when their financial welfare depends on traffic fines.

    5.It is not true that writing more tickets will result in fewer accidents. A 1995 Memorial Day ticket-writing binge in Connecticut resulted in a 67% increase in accidents over the same time period in the previous year. The federal government paid $750,000 to the state for that.

    6.Many speed limits are deliberately set well below the prevailing speed of safely-driven vehicles. Doing so does not slow traffic but it does make a greater number of motorists eligible for a speeding ticket they don't deserve.

    7.There is no connection between receiving an occasional traffic ticket and the likelihood of being in an accident. Therefore, there is no justification for charging a person more for auto insurance just because they were convicted for a traffic violation.

    8.Trivial or concocted traffic law violations are frequently used as an excuse to stop, detain, and search persons for whom the police have no otherwise legitimate reason to do so. "Probable cause" or "reasonable suspicion"are inserted after the fact and only if the motorist lodges a formal complaint.

    9.A large proportion of the stop signs erected by local governments are illegal and in violation of state traffic regulations. They know that people don't stop for them since the intention is to use the signs as speed control devices. This proliferation of stop signs merely increases the number of motorists who can be cited for failing to stop when there is no reason to.

    10.The best protection against the "good ole boy" system where the judge, district attorney, and the arresting officer are on a first-name basis is the jury trial. Jury trials are time-consuming, expensive, and diminish theprofitability of the traffic ticket system. Therefore, state-by-state, the right to a jury trial is being incrementally denied to traffic ticket defendants, all under the guise of being more fair when actually it is less.

    11.Only a small fraction (about 2%) of all traffic tickets are seriously contested. The vast majority of thesecontested tickets are dismissed or the defendant is given a significantly reduced penalty. If just 10% of the people who received citations fought their tickets, the entire system of government extortion would collapsewithin a matter of months.

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    Most people who actually fight their speeding tickets either get significantly reduced fines, fines but no point penalty, or a thrown out case altogether. I'm not necessarily saying you won't get pulled over, but if you know the facts, you'll get off easier almost every time. Many times, if you make it a point to the cop that you know the laws well, he will let you go right there because he doesn't want to show up in court to look bad.

    More little tips:
    *Slow down where there are median crossovers (esp. the "NO U-TURN" ones)
    *Slow down before going under bridges/overpasses...
    *in moderate highway traffic, stay in the middle lanes. (bad radar accuracy)
    *Anyone involved in pulling you over for speeding (the gunner and whoever
    stopped you) are in most states required to show up at court should you plead
    not guilty. ask for a continuance and likely they won't all be there. you
    get off on technicality..
    *etc etc I better shut up now before I convince someone to go 150mph to their
    grocery store...
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    Anyway listen to this, and think about it. In order for points to go on your record "ALL FINANCIAL ISSUES MUST BE RESOLVED ", so what you do is you write a check for the 200$ ticket for 205$. when they get it, it will be to much, so they will have to send you back a
    5$ check (just say you wrote it for too much by accident, and you weren't sure.. it happens) , and then when you get their check, rip it up and throw it away, their check never gets cashed, and it never goes down in there banking account. so "All Financial Issues" are NOT resolved, thus the points never go on your record. Im not sure about the money part tho, ew! good luck.
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    Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:10:53 EDT
    Subject: Re: Speeding and the Law--from a cop!!!


    I am a cop. Here is the deal on radar (this is Indiana law for sure, but I
    am guessing federal as well). 1: Radar is pro-ponderance(sp) of the
    evidence. In Indiana, if I see someone driving and I oberserve them at a
    high rate of speed I can write a speeding ticket. If I have radar, this just
    adds to the fact that I was right in my observation. Most traffic violations
    in Indiana are not crimes, they are infractions. That means there is no way
    you could ever loss any freedom based on that offense alone. If I just want
    to write someone a ticket I could just write it based on my observation and a
    judge could determine if the state has proved its case or if the person is
    not guilty. If I have radar, vascar, or any other speed measuring device,
    then the state has more evidence in its case.
    2: Radar has many different forms. At my dept. we have a hand held unit that
    is like a gun. Just point and pull. You can pull the trigger and its on,
    then let it go and its off, just that fast. You can also lock it on if you
    want too. The MAJORITY(Not All) of these radar devices can ONLY BE USED
    WHILE PARKED/STOPPED. The built in radar units are the moving radar units.
    They have a small controller that you push a button to turn the unit on/off.
    As far as lazer, I know nothing about it.
    3: MYTH (At least in Indiana): The cop has to show you the radar gun!!! Yea
    right.
    4: MYTH (AT least in Indiana): The cop has to be parked on a pubic road and
    have lights on when using radar. Yea right!!!


    PS: In Indiana the radar gun has to be evaluated for its accuracy once a
    year. Maybe you could get a cop in court to say "I dunno when the last time
    it was checked." You could get off. Just a suggestion.
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    Speeding is an "Absolute Liability" Offense and offers no reasonable and arguable grounds of defense.

    If you are speeding, you are speeding!

    It is also why in "most" juristictions there cannot be a custodial sentence provided for speeding.

    It would require an additional or subsequent charge/allegation that is arguable as to intent.

    Simply obey the damn law! Don't speed. Just where the hell do you have to be 30 seconds sooner?

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    • #3
      one of our cities radar operaters was found to be operating under qualified, and all of his tickets were thrown out of court. then ALL of the operators had to go through crazy training. so im pretty sure that part isnt true. and even if it is a cash cow, who cares... dont speed. lol or dont get caught. how much is a good radar/laser detector? -i dont actually own one, and i will admit i speed. (for a moment almost every day i do 140 km/h in a 70 zone. need to warm that bitch up. lol then i usually do about 100 the rest of the day

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      • #4
        No moving violations!? OH I know why! Thats because your 3-spd auto broke on launch, can't speed if you ain't moving! I'M KIDDING!!!!

        Honestly tho, i agree with you, for the most part. But I still say there should be no speed limit on most of the freeway system. I also think that racing school should be mandatory to even drive, but thats another opinion.
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        • #5
          Red-light cameras are the cash cow in my area. When they found it wasn't profitable they silently reduced the time a light stays on yellow as well as the red-light grace period to catch more people.

          Originally posted by 95SleeperAcheiva View Post
          ...I also think that racing school should be mandatory to even drive, but thats another opinion.
          You should see what new drivers have to go through in Finland. There's a reason there's an old saying: "If you want win, hire a Fin."
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          • #6
            Yeah I don't speed, and I don't like the soccer moms in minivans who speed while on the cell phone, probably with kids in the vehicle. Those people go 10-15mph or more over the limit in a vehicle that doesn't handle, while they are not paying attention and all over the road. Yet those people don't get targeted. My friends with SUV's speed all the damn time and never get a ticket. Try that in a sporty car or bright 2 door... you're ass is screwed. They shouldn't even hassle sports cars because those cars CAN handle and at speeds well in excess of 10 over the speed limit. Unless they are doing something dangerous like 65 in a 30... They should instead hassle the minivan/suv that is rocking back and forth going from lane to lane and hitting the shoulder with the young kids inside going 90 down the highway posted at 65mph.

            Then you get the crooked shit which I'm sure isn't everywhere, but I've been pulled over many times and had my facts straight and started questioning the officer about why I was pulled over, and going through exactly what I did. Every time they don't have anything on me and just tell me to "sit at the stop sign for at a minimum of 6 secs" Yeah show me where that is in the drivers hand book. I got a speeding ticket once when I started speeding up from 40 to 55 because the sign was right there. The book says when you can read the sign, you do what it says... Officer wrote me up for 65mph which I was no where close, in fact I was being passed like I was standing still by trucks and crap in the other lane. I told her this but she had nothing of it. I asked her that if that's the case I don't have to start slowing down until I pass a sign that says a lower limit? She didn't have a response to that... She even accused me of being drunk and I said go a head and test me, and you'll see it's just my friend who I was being a DD for. Anyway I got a lawyer and had them have it reduce to faulty equipment or some BS, which is just a way for the city to make more money.

            It's strange too how when I was nearly T-boned right in front of a cop and I had to swerve across 3 lanes to avoid getting hit, the cop didn't do a DAMN thing and drove off like he was asleep when it happened. Or when I had my hood up at a car wash bay they came and took my license and went through my car without my permission and asked what I was doing.. Checking my damn fluids assholes. I was in no mood that day to deal with them so I bite my tongue as I was already having a bad day and could have flew off the handle at any time. And no, I don't dress like a thug, rapper, etc. I don't stand out in a crowd at all. I don't know if there is a clone driving around another car like mine or what but for a while I was hassled non stop, cops busing u-turns when they saw my car and following me for miles before turning off, in the middle of the day, etc. For some reason now though they don't bother me so much at least as far as singling me out goes. They still do their monthly "bust ass for the quota" though. They say they don't have a quota, maybe not on the books, but for all the crap they didn't do it's always one or two nights out of the month where there are TONS of them, every 2 blocks you see 3 cars pulled over, non stop from 6:00pm until at least 4am. No joke.

            And it's always re-assuring to see the judges at the bar getting drunk with all the prosecuting attorneys too.
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            • #7
              This is great. I got a speeding ticket on I-5 recently; 290 for 82 in a 65 zone. No construction, the freeway was straight for as far as the eye could see. I had the cruise control on "75", but I guess the speedo was off (94 stang on 18's).
              Anyways, I couldnt counter because my 6 months still arent up, and I had 2 more passengers in a car I wasnt insured to drive in. I went to the city office "to see what I could do" and my fine was lowered to 215.

              Damn alprazolam...

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              • #8
                I agree with you! Where do you have to be 30 seconds sooner? Speeding is
                the primary reason for traffic congestion. People would actually get places
                faster if everyone went the speed limit. So where do you want to be 5-10
                minutes sooner is the real question? At least in heavy traffic areas. Like the
                interstate, when it grinds to a halt. Notice all the cars that went screaming
                by, thus clogging the road.

                Obviously there are some exceptions, but overall it's true. When you're doing
                5-15 over, you're catching others you shouldn't be reaching at that time. But
                if those people were allowed to move freely, with you briefly behind them,
                what happens? The road doesn't get clogged because everyone is getting
                their turn to use that piece of the road. I hate start-stop traffic.

                Anyway just my two cents.

                Originally posted by asylummotorsports View Post
                Speeding is an "Absolute Liability" Offense and offers no reasonable and arguable grounds of defense.

                If you are speeding, you are speeding!

                It is also why in "most" juristictions there cannot be a custodial sentence provided for speeding.

                It would require an additional or subsequent charge/allegation that is arguable as to intent.

                Simply obey the damn law! Don't speed. Just where the hell do you have to be 30 seconds sooner?

                Over 30 years of drag racing and driving. Not ONE moving violation!!

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                • #9
                  i've had more traffic tickets than i would like to admit... at least two were for speeding.
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