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  • Home Made Electroplating: The Benefits and HAZARDS

    WARNING! USE EXTREME CAUTION WHEN WORKING WITH THESE CHEMICALS AND PROCEDURES...WEAR PROPER EYE PROTECTION, PROPER BREATHING MASKS AND PROPER HAND AND BODY PROTECTIVE CLOTHING WHEN HANDLING OR USING ANY OF THESE CHEMICALS AND OTHER NECESSARY EQUIPMENT! DO NOT USE OR PROCESS ANY OF THESE ACTIONS IN AREAS OF THE HOME THAT HAVE EASY ACCESS BY FAMILY MEMBERS OR PETS, AS THE CHEMICALS INVOLVED WILL CAUSE EITHER SICKNESS AND/OR DEATH IF ACCIDENTALLY INGESTED. PLAINLY MARK ALL CONTAINERS HOLDING ANY OF THESE DRY AND WET MATERIALS WITH THE EXPRESSION: "DANGER! --==POISON==-- DO NOT EAT OR DRINK THE CONTENTS OF THIS BOTTLE/BAG/CONTAINER OR HANDLE WITHOUT PROPERLY PROTECTING YOUR EYES, FACE, LUNGS, HANDS AND OPEN AREAS OF SKIN FROM ANY DIRECT OR INDIRECT CONTACT WITH THIS MATERIAL!"

    As an aside to the use of the ATX Power Supply, now that I know it will work swimmingly to serve the needs of "The Frankinjector" Monster EFI Cleaning Machine, I have another less pressing project involving nickel plating the "Hold Down Claw" for my 3.4L Engine's Oil Pump Drive. The one that came off the source engine is badly rusted and corroded, with flaking nickel plating that needs a simple re-plating job to fix it back up to snuff. AFTER DONNING ALL THE NECESSARY PROTECTIVE GEAR AS LISTED IN THE WARNING ABOVE...All I will need is some Powdered Nickel Oxide, a liter of Distilled Malt Vinegar and a Good Sealing Mason Jar to pour in about 50-60 grams of the Nickel Oxide and about 300 ml of the Vinegar, then shake it up real good to agitate the mix and let it percolate for a week to ten days away from where anybody can grab the jar and mess with its highly toxic contents. The stuff will turn into a nice, emerald green electrolyte called Nickel Acetate. Then, all I will need to do is prep a pure nickel welding rod as the negative (-) Cathode to make contact with the submerged, cleaned Hold-Down-Claw and use a stainless steel rod for the positive (+) Anode. With the ATX (+) lead (Yellow) attached to the S/S Rod and the Black Ground (-) attached to the Nickel Welding Rod, if all goes well, I should be able to perfectly re-plate the Hold-Down-Claw with a tough, new corrosion resistant Nickel plating in less than a minute or two!

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    Originally posted by pocket-rocket View Post


    I really like the idea of electroplating that hold down. I had no idea electroplating was that easy

    Yes... but working with any Heavy Metal that is rendered in solution requires very great care. For example, using Stainless Steel...either as an Anode or a Cathode and which generally includes about 12% Chromium, can release dangerous Halogenic Gases that will kill you...DRT (Dead...Right THERE---->)

    If you inhale the fumes that will exude from the Nickel Acetate Electrolyte when either simply exposing metals to be plated ...even before applying an electric current... the fumes are highly toxic, carcinogenic and dangerous if applied to the skin ("Nickel Itch" lifelong contact dermatitis to ANYTHING that contains the metal Nickel) or accidentally ingested...and cause vomiting and even seizures... So rubber gloves and an NBC style breathing mask might be ordinary equipment when working with this stuff.... Please BE CAREFUL!



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    Last edited by 60dgrzbelow0; 10-26-2009, 10:13 PM.

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    Originally posted by pocket-rocket View Post
    That guy should have said that in his videos, instead of just saying the Nickle Oxide was toxic...
    I completely agree... I'm certain you observed that the liquid containers that held this attractive, green solution that might be mistaken for something like Creme De Mente or even Kool-Aid by a child...HAD NO WARNING LABELS OF ANY KIND! If you poke around YOUTUBE on the subject of any kind of electro-plating (electroplating)...just look at all the protective gear the employees are wearing when working with this stuff and you'll see what I mean. Maybe 80+ % of the Periodic Table of Elements are METALS of one form or another ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodi..._non-metals%29) and without exception...ALL Heavy Metals are Carcinogenic and-or Highly Toxic 'in-vivo'...Here is what happens to people when they get it inside their bodies...(Hexavalent Chromium).

    Say... Pocket-Rocket... I wonder if we could ask Brad (bszopi) to excise this part of the post over to a separate, "Off Topic" one on the subject of "Home Use of Chemical Electroplating...Its Benefits and Dangers" ...now that the Cat is Out of the Bag on the idea to Nickel re-plate the 3.4L Hold-Down-Claw...?



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    Last edited by 60dgrzbelow0; 10-22-2009, 10:50 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 60dgrzbelow0 View Post
      Say... Pocket-Rocket... I wonder if we could ask Brad (bszopi) to excise this part of the post over to a separate, "Off Topic" one on the subject of "Home Use of Chemical Electroplating...Its Benefits and Dangers" ...now that the Cat is Out of the Bag on the idea to Nickel re-plate the 3.4L Hold-Down-Claw...?



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      I'm sure if he was asked, he would have no problem splitting this off into a new thread. I've always known him to be a reasonable guy.
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      • #4
        will this also work on my .44?

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        • #5
          -this led me on a whole slough of plating videos. holy crap wow.

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          • #6
            you guys should try home anodizing


            I've done a few flashlight parts and am getting ready to do a few things from my engine.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Superdave View Post
              ...I've done a few fleshlight parts...
              Fixed LOL jk, im tired and i thought it was funny.

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              • #8
                ^^^^PRICELESS^^^^^ HAHA!!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Superdave View Post
                  you guys should try home anodizing


                  I've done a few flashlight parts and am getting ready to do a few things from my engine.
                  I used to do paintball marker parts in my spare time when I worked at the battery shop. Free acid supply got cut off when I left there so I stopped.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SofaKingWeToddDid View Post
                    will this also work on my .44?
                    My background is in Law Enforcement. I'm a now retired homicide detective (since 1999) with long period of experience over twenty-five years as a hand-loader and shooter on competitive and practical pistol courses. As well, I am a former licensed (Certified) NRA Police Firearms Instructor who has seen in my time, some very odd and sundry weapons show up at one range or another that someone decided to "Doctor" up the looks on using one method of either Brush-Chroming or Nickel Plating or another.

                    This is a dangerous practice to experiment with on any handgun... for any reason, whatsoever!!!... and here is why:

                    During the electroplating process, the barrel of the weapon, which is a precision rifled piece of steel... will readily accept the plating INSIDE OF THE GUN BARREL! When this happens...the internal dimensions of the lands and grooves are coated with the super-hard metals and DECREASE IN THEIR BORE DIMENSIONS AS THE NEW METAL IS LAID DOWN. Your .44 Caliber "Dirty Harry" Revolver could become a .42-.40 Caliber Grenade!!!

                    Please...DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CHROME OR NICKEL PLATE YOUR HAND GUNS....EVER!

                    If you fire a bullet down the bore of any weapon so dangerously modified...Your could lose (in this order...) Your Fingers ...Your Thumbs ...Your Hand(s)... Your Vision...Your life...or any and all of those bad things can happen if you fire that gun when other innocent by-standers are nearby! Adding any kind of Metal Plating to any Handgun requires a very special expertise and set of procedures to avoid lining and coating either the cylinder bores on Revolvers, the lock work in the breaches of semi-automatic weapons...and all of their gun barrels....

                    Do NOT EVER attempt to do this ...Okay?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by neo71665 View Post
                      I used to do paintball marker parts in my spare time when I worked at the battery shop. Free acid supply got cut off when I left there so I stopped.
                      lol

                      i get it for free right now at work (well i snagged a 5 gallon container from the engine room).. hehe

                      what mix did you use?
                      Past Builds;
                      1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
                      1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
                      Current Project;
                      1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 60dgrzbelow0 View Post
                        My background is in Law Enforcement. I'm a now retired homicide detective (since 1999) with long period of experience over twenty-five years as a hand-loader and shooter on competitive and practical pistol courses. As well, I am a former licensed (Certified) NRA Police Firearms Instructor who has seen in my time, some very odd and sundry weapons show up at one range or another that someone decided to "Doctor" up the looks on using one method of either Brush-Chroming or Nickel Plating or another.

                        This is a dangerous practice to experiment with on any handgun... for any reason, whatsoever!!!... and here is why:

                        During the electroplating process, the barrel of the weapon, which is a precision rifled piece of steel... will readily accept the plating INSIDE OF THE GUN BARREL! When this happens...the internal dimensions of the lands and grooves are coated with the super-hard metals and DECREASE IN THEIR BORE DIMENSIONS AS THE NEW METAL IS LAID DOWN. Your .44 Caliber "Dirty Harry" Revolver could become a .42-.40 Caliber Grenade!!!

                        Please...DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CHROME OR NICKEL PLATE YOUR HAND GUNS....EVER!

                        If you fire a bullet down the bore of any weapon so dangerously modified...Your could lose (in this order...) Your Fingers ...Your Thumbs ...Your Hand(s)... Your Vision...Your life...or any and all of those bad things can happen if you fire that gun when other innocent by-standers are nearby! Adding any kind of Metal Plating to any Handgun requires a very special expertise and set of procedures to avoid lining and coating either the cylinder bores on Revolvers, the lock work in the breaches of semi-automatic weapons...and all of their gun barrels....

                        Do NOT EVER attempt to do this ...Okay?
                        I like my Stainless Ruger P90 .45 the way it is. Sounds like even a more good reason to

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by pocket-rocket View Post
                          I like my Stainless Ruger P90 .45 the way it is. Sounds like even a more good reason to

                          Clicky!
                          That is very nice pistol...P-R... I have always preferred wheel guns over the years because they can be fired faster than any semi-automatic pistol...and stainless steel...while more brittle and susceptible to breakage under heavy use...has suited my method for carrying concealed handguns...mostly because belly, hip and shoulder holster concealment is damned near an impossibility for a man like me with ...shall we say in Gun Smithing Terms...an "N" Frame...LOL...So I've always gone heeled on the lighter, easy side by carrying a Smith & Wesson Stainless Model 60 for my ankle holster... I know...it's only a five shot revolver and should not carry rounds heavier than say a 95 Grain RP round...but having had my bacon saved once when I was frisked in hostile circumstances without warning... a fairly exciting situation it was, too...I might add...I appreciated living up to my own protection ideal of being able to turn my Ass in the way it was issued to me...with ONE HOLE IN IT! ....but on that occasion, no one thought I was carrying a gun strapped to my ankle and I bullsh*tted my way back to the world again...alive.

                          For the hip holster...I like my S&W Model 66 Stainless Steel Revolver... It holds one more round at (6) and with the .357 caliber...it has more than enough power to kill the BeeGeez with sincerity. It carries nice and flat in an old saddle-soaped tilted pancake holster I've worn since 1975. As for my issue weapon... I received my patrol service revolver back in 1975 and was able to own it in the 1980's after the transition to the Glock Automatics, which was a S&W Stainless Model 64 Service handgun and later I also got my Glock 19 upon retirement. While carrying 18 rounds might make some people feel more secure... my philosophy has always been... when you only have five or six bullets to shoot.. and maybe a speed loader somewhere on you... you'll think twice before pulling the "Iron" ...and if you do...you'll make damned certain that you can and will kill what you shoot at if it comes down to cases. Like many of us who are avid hunters, sportsman and target shooters, I have many more weapons for one purpose or another...and some uncommon firepower I can lay my hands on quicker than you can say, "Timmy Fell...Down the Well!" that would surprise you. In the end though...Stainless Steel is a Handgunner's Best Friend!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Superdave View Post
                            lol

                            i get it for free right now at work (well i snagged a 5 gallon container from the engine room).. hehe

                            what mix did you use?
                            We got it in 99% pure and cut it our self but if I remember right I think I used it mixed to a specific gravity of either 1600 or 1800. Been years since I done it and have slept since then.
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                            • #15
                              B4u electrplate...first... Get rid of the rust!

                              After a bit of digression... back on the subject(s) at hand...

                              The object of my Nickel Plating desire...is the GM Oil Pump Drive that is all Rusted and Badly Corroded...with about 2/3rds of the original Nickel Plating gone. But rather than scrub it with a Brillo Pad or wire-wheel the sh*t out of this tiny, but important external engine bracket component...I think I'll follow this character's very fine instructions (and often funny side comments aimed at keeping you on your toes and out of trouble while speaking like Johnny Depp with his genuine British Cockney Accent). He does a capital job with these two YouTube vidoes on the easiest method on:

                              "How to Remove Rust from Steel"

                              Just remember that when he is referring to the Green Bag filled with "Soda Crystals" as the powder measured into the liquid medium with a mild dissolved electrolyte ...our American counterpart product for use in this process is called "Arm & Hammer Washing Soda"

                              When all that is done and the part is Rust Free...Then I'll concentrate on the Nickel Plating portion of the task.

                              How I use Electrylosis to remove rust from motorcycle parts because it's both cheap and lazy.

                              How I use Electrylosis to remove rust from motorcycle parts because it's both cheap and lazy.
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