neone want fwd headers?

[no_doz]

im not claiming that im making any at this point, but would there a market for $300 fwd headers (not including shipping) stainless steel of course, & if so what models would you want them for?

this is just a feeler to see if there is a market for them & if so where most of the market lies in.

also, im not sure if cars sharing the same platform will necessarily share the same headers-so if anyone can inform me on cross header cross compatibility, that would be great.

this is in off-topic because i currently have a 3.4 DOHC LQ1 GTP out in the garage & a 90 3.1 lumina that i can use for both of those engines & platforms, & would be happy to make them for the LQ1 since from what i can tell no one makes any.

[robertisaar]

LQ1 geo metro headers...

[bszopi]

OT - What did you really save by typing "neone" versus "anyone"? Seriously, learn to use the english language. We are chatting on cellphones and we aren't an import forum full of teeny boppers. And then there is the lack of capital letters and punctuation...

God, I hate this younger generation that lacks any kind of grammar skills. /OT

Don't waste your time. Everyone will say they want them, but you will MAYBE get 5-6 buyers total, across all platforms. Just not worth it, in my opinion.

[IsaacHayes]

J/L/N bodies of the same era 87-98'ish would fit the same header, but you have to make it work with 5spd, 3spd auto, 4spd auto which is possible but you need to test. And are YOU making them for 300 for stainless? Good luck...

If you did though make a set for 300 that would fit my car of course I'd buy them. That would be the cheapest out there....... Nothing really is made for my car just the SS which have to be modified...

[no_doz]

sorry about the neone-the original title was a lot longer & i did that to save space, then i shortened it & forgot about it. im not a big fan of the whole texter typing crap, but once the thread was started i was kinda stuck with it. if you can fix it by all means please do.

if i could get 5-6 people for sure wanting a set for the same vehicle ill most likely get what i need & start making them-& honestly if people would prefer, i could -probably- assemble mild steel sets for $200+ shipping-but then theyd need to coat them or whatnot to prevent rustin.

[robertisaar]

to prevent rustin.

all kinds of keyboard issues today, huh no_doz?

you can always use VHT 1500* on mild steel. stuff has worked great for me in the past. costs about $10 for a can though...

[asylummotorsports]

Stainless fits-all headers for $300?

You have to be smoking something that is a best subject to judicial investigation.

I have ~ $1,100 invested in my S&S headers, modified to fit, ceramic coated and they are wonderful.

But if you can come in at even 2/3's of that you will sell lots!!

However somehow I'm a little skeptical.

[robertisaar]

You have to be smoking something that is a best subject to judicial investigation.

by judicial, you mean me right?

However somehow I'm a little skeptical.

due to it being no_doz, the price, or both?

[ForcedFirebird]

I make headers, and let me tell you right now...

There's NO WAY IN HELL you can make SS headers for $300. The tubing alone will run you that.

I am in the process of making a jig to build l-body headers, and I am getting my ass handed to me by making them in the $500 range for mild steel un-coated (and I even have the coating equipment for the ceramic in my shop).

[Superdave]

I make headers, and let me tell you right now...

There's NO WAY IN HELL you can make SS headers for $300. The tubing alone will run you that.

I am in the process of making a jig to build l-body headers, and I am getting my ass handed to me by making them in the $500 range for mild steel un-coated (and I even have the coating equipment for the ceramic in my shop).

x2, i had $200 in materials alone to make my mild steel longtubes, and another $200 in ceramic coating.


No_Doz, you should look up material prices before starting a thread like this. Stainless steel U bends are more than double the cost of mild steel.

[IsaacHayes]

Yup, unless you have a mandrel bending machine and buy the pipe in bulk.. it's going to cost you.. Techline ceramic coatings are pretty good however and not that expensive. You still need stuff like a sandblaster/etc to get the oxides and slag off after welding.

[no_doz]

the stainless ones would be made using used stainless headers for v8's or v6's, people sell used items such as this for $50-100, i figured id just get a few sets & use the bends off of them, & just ensure equal length primaries with seamless welds (at the cost of time).

if i made $50 off of a set after mats & helped one of you guys get your car going strong itd be worth it to me-like i said this is really just a feeler, if theres not sufficient demand then its not going to happen (or atleast the stainless ones for sure).

& about the mild steel-of course id sandblast them well after welding & such or itd be a pointless thing to consider.

[Superdave]

No_Doz, i'm sure you are a nice guy but please, think things through before you post topics like this.

You aren't going to make any money chopping up V8 headers to make V6 FWD headers, nor are you going to be able to produce a quality product that people are going to want to buy.

If you want to do something like this for yourself that's fine, but these feeler topics are just a waste of time.

you need to ask yourself some questions..

1. Have i ever built headers before?
2. Can i weld?
3. Do i have all the equipment to fully weld headers and guarantee them to be leakproof?
4. Have i calculated my ROI?


Leave things like this to the pros.

[no_doz]

i just threw it out there, i have all of the welding knowledge & a sufficient welder, & ive been coming across a lot of duplicates of steel jeep 4.0 headers & 350 headers that if used half & half with appropriate flange to mount to the engine & hell anything is better than stock manifolds, & a $550 shipped for uncoated from s&s...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Exhaust-Manifold-Header-91-92-93-94-Jeep-Cherokee-4-0L_W0QQitemZ270459338104QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ef8a1fd78#ht_1646wt_754

i keep running across things like this for like $40-$50

[Superdave]

$550 is a great price for headers, that's only $150 more than it cost me to build mine. JBP used to charge $1400 for their stainless headers.

3500 manifolds are the cheap answer, they'll perform as well as shorty headers and with some finish work they can look pretty good too.


there is a big difference between something you hack together out of used parts and something designed and built on a jig with all new steel, flanges and coatings. People who bitch and moan about the price of headers need to either build their own so they know why FWD headers are expensive or learn to budget/save better so they can buy the good stuff.