Concealed weapons @ schools?

[Kardain]

Recently a teacher in Medford, OR got in a bit of trouble for carrying a concealed handgun. She has a license to carry a concealed weapon. Given the recent incident in Ohio, what are your thoughts?

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071004/NEWS/710040307

I'll save my opinions for later

[Joseph Upson]

Recently a teacher in Medford, OR got in a bit of trouble for carrying a concealed handgun. She has a license to carry a concealed weapon. Given the recent incident in Ohio, what are your thoughts?

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071004/NEWS/710040307

I'll save my opinions for later

Now days being shot in school is nearly an assumed risk, teachers and students should not have to concern themselves with such a risk but now they do. I believe in God so immediately I can point to the Bible and say it told you so.

Unfortunately (speaking to those who believe), Christianity which this country was founded on, and the Bible which provides guidance on how people should live and take care of themselves and eachother, is being pushed further and further out of America's frame work, coupled with the hypocrisy of those who claim to believe, and those who claim to be Christian leaders further encouraging its rejection by our conduct unbecoming.

The result is what we have now, lack of a strong moral foundation and recognition of an absolute right and absolute wrong, and reprobate minds open to the "life is what you make of it rule". So now 'that which is considered right is now wrong (punishing your kids in an effort to correct them for example), and 'that which is wrong is considered right', rap music encouraging all sorts of misconduct under the guise of supposed harmless entertainment for one example.

The teacher with a gun on school premises is an open and shut case. If the policy says no guns allowed without exceptions barring law enforcement, then no guns allowed, wether you are licensed to carry one or not, is not an issue. I haven't read the article, but I suspect she probably feels the school can not protect her in which case she needs to find another form of employment where guns are permitted rather than challenge the system.

If she keeps the weapon in reach there is a danger of it falling in the wrong hands, if she doesn't keep it in reach what's the point of having it. If an incident does occur and she's encountered running through school in a rescue attempt, by the on duty officer who doesn't know that's what she is doing, guess what. Some of you may not beaware of the friendly fire death at USF several months ago due to a uniformed cop running up on a plain clothes cop after he fired his weapon in the air to gain control of an altercation he wound up in; RIP.

If she's a great shot wonderful, it offers no insurance against shooting the wrong person or someone by accident, the cops haven't got that right yet and they're supposedly trained for the situations. She's trained to teach and that's where she can best use her talent, otherwise when you can't follow the rules of the work place you more or less add to the problem by making your own.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if America wants to get tough on crime, put the electric chair in the court room. The bible differentiates between killing (murder) and the law of the land putting criminals who murder to death for their crime.

To each his or her own, but that's my belief mixed with opinion. Fair is fair, obey the law, or be subject to it.

[johnnymossville]

Damn right! It seems that unfortunately parenting has become a lost art. When I was growing up my parents had the knew when and had the right to dicsiple me when I needed it. Plus now everybody has an excuse for everything (i.e. its not my fault, it's my parents fault, I was abused as a child, etc.). From the theme song to the t.v. series Beretta,"Don't do the crime if you can't do the time". There should be "truth in sentencing", Which to me means that when in prison there is no such thing as "time off for good behavior". Hell if they had good behavior they would't be there in the first place!

[1988GTU]

Guns for EVERYONE!

[Joseph Upson]

Guns for EVERYONE!

That was a scary thought when the law regarding self defense and rules governing firearm possesion resently changed in Florida to something much more lax than in the past, suggesting that we would have a modern day wild, wild west. Some people made a lot of fuss about it even suggesting tourists spend their vacation time elsewhere to avoid the increased risk of being shot. I was one of them but for a different and more legitimate reason that being having minority status makes you a bigger target for accidental shootings and arrests etc... and the lack of specifics for the more lax regulations under which one could defend ones self.

A few months later I was willing to take the risks because the crime rate in Florida started to approach insane levels, with numerous robberies and carjackings where thugs weren't content with just that and resulted to shooting victims just because, like the resent cop that was murdered by two loosers after ambushing him at a teller. These guys are 17 & 19 years old, and the prosecutor is considering the death penalty, CONSIDERING! it should be a no brainer. Once the facts are in, let them say their prayers and take'm straight to the chair sagging pants and all, button them down real tight and sprinkle salt water on them.

Death is forever, when you commit murder at a minimum the sentence should be remaining life in prison. I believe we should spend more time imagining ourselves as victims to try and better understand the depth of such a crime.

The more citizens on the street that legally carry firearms, the more likely the outlaws in society can get the speediest trial available, that being blasted right on the spot and going straight to the grave. Sounds calous but no more so than a stranger that can blow your brains out or maim you for life and not think twice about it.

As for schools, perhaps designated officials should be considered for firearms, but teachers in the classrooms with them is very likely more risky than it's worth with kids giving them "hell" all day everyday. It's interesting enough that our mothers didn't kill us at some point during our childhood if consider what we put them through. My mom never said it, but a couple of times I think I saw it in her face.

[PCGUY112887]

I work for a school district, heck I am at work right now. I would be very afraid if all of the teachers here carried firearms!

As said earlier, maybe some trained administrators at the school, but NOT teachers.

[geldartb]

dont they state no guns allowed on school property period. goes the same way for weapons too.

but whats to say that if some kid was being a smart ass to this teacher and this certain teacher couldnt handle it and pulls out his gun and smokes his ass.

[Joseph Upson]

dont they state no guns allowed on school property period. goes the same way for weapons too.

but whats to say that if some kid was being a smart ass to this teacher and this certain teacher couldnt handle it and pulls out his gun and smokes his ass.

I mentioned that, and it's sort of what the Sheriff deputy did a few days ago, lost it over someones words.

[geldartb]

I mentioned that, and it's sort of what the Sheriff deputy did a few days ago, lost it over someones words.

with the security at schools is their any type of mental evalutation they take before they do the job. they must take some sort of weapon safety class or something like that.

and for the ones that they let carry guns they should have them take a mental evaluation test to make sure your stable mentally before they give you a gun. cause if you have a short fuse or lose it easily when some kid is being a smart ass then whats to say you wont smoke his ass for being a punk.

theres too many smart ass kids runnung around these days.

[Joseph Upson]

with the security at schools is their any type of mental evalutation they take before they do the job. they must take some sort of weapon safety class or something like that.

and for the ones that they let carry guns they should have them take a mental evaluation test to make sure your stable mentally before they give you a gun. cause if you have a short fuse or lose it easily when some kid is being a smart ass then whats to say you wont smoke his ass for being a punk.

theres too many smart ass kids runnung around these days.

Not all states require a psych evaluation for police officials and his was apparently one of the few that don't from what was reported. Aside from that, I believe 20 yrs of age is entirely to young an age to have the kind of authority officers are given with near impunity except in the most criminal acts of official misconduct and even then their system tries to cover them for it.

The military is different, first you will not carry a loaded weapon unless you are an MP or the like, or out on the battlefield where the object is to shoot to kill on sight, so age is not as much a factor in this role, second and unlike in the civilian world, the U.S. military will tear you a new one if you mistakenly shoot and kill an individual in a non war related environment, like some of the alleged mistakes city police make where unarmed citizens end up dead because some official idiot thought he saw something shiny (imagine being shot for that reason) or like the cop that shot at a fleeing motorcyclist because his partner (who held onto the motorcycle voluntarily) was being dragged and somehow that was interpreted as assault with a deadly weapon, a dead alligator has more sense than that.

It's unfortunate but the lack of accountability by the law for officers using deadly force is minimal and gives them plenty of room to waste you just in case and get away with it. If a cop jumps in front of a fleeing vehicle, that's attempted suicide on his part not assault, if he shoots through the windshield and kills the driver who never steered towards him in the first place, it's murder plain and simple because the officer made the move that put himself in danger. Some of them are cowards with guns or down right criminal because they will shoot to kill even when they don't have to and then say that's what we are trained to do as if they have no ability to use reason any longer.

One problem in America is that the right people have to die (gov't officials kids) in order to get wreckless laws changed.

My theory on the taser deaths is this, officers very likely as evidenced by the resent incident with a woman shown being tased repeatedly without apparent justification, maybe doing just that and the repeated sustained shocks are sending what suddenly becomes a victim at the hands of the officer, into cardiac arrest.

The person being persued is already near the limits of his/her safe max heart rate (220-age) then apply multiple shocks after that all of a sudden a non-lethal shock becomes lethal. There is no shock counter that i'm aware of that tells how many times a taser was used, so how will anyone know?

So the little safety demonstrations offered up by law enforcement to suggest the taser is harmless are a farse, if they wanted to do a realistic demonstration they would run on a tread mill for about 5 minutes and get to huffing and puffing real good with a heart rate up around 160 and then have someone zap them and see how that comes out when you can't breath at a time where your body needs the oxygen most.

That reminds me of the choke hold they killed so many people with back in the 80's before someone finally acknowledged that people were not dying from pre existing illness, they were dying from being choked. A phrenic nerve, vagus nerve and carotid artery is located on both sides of the neck, excessive pressure on the side of the neck does the following:

Phrenic nerve- one side of the diaphragm is hindered reducing inhalation
Vagus nerve- slows the heart down
carotid artery- reduced blood flow to the brain

The three together on a person already short of breath = possible death before you hit the ground. I didn't watch much news around that time but I remember like 6 incidents where they killed people with the choke hold in Florida.

I have nothing against cops and am a strong advocate for them, however I hate the laws that permit them to commit murder under a lesser name and dispise the ones who disrespect the oath they took and use their authority to walk on the citizens.

Now, where were we.

[CobraCDR]

I would carry a gun to school with the retarded kids these days. The parents are to blame, that mother who bought weapons for her son is rightfully going to go to jail. What a dumb bitch. The problem is kids these days don't have anything real to worry about and they don't know how to vent their frustrations properly. Instead they shoot up a school when in the past they would duke it out with the bully in the school yard. Its just plain sad. If a student pulled a gun in class and a teacher had a pistol it would saved many lives. I would shoot that dumbass in the head without flinching.

[gpse3400]

EMO!!!!!!! IT' LL ABOUT BEING EMO!! AND NEEDING ..........EMO-THERAPY!!!! HEHEH I need to go to sleep...maybe I should cut myself.....

[geldartb]

true though its these kid's cry for help.
man it went from nothing to sleeping with the teacher to shooting the school up.
i wouldnt have minded the nailing your teacher part. there were a few hotties. guess my genereation missed out on that.

[IanSzgatti]

I wont even read others comments before I say this... if that person is licenced to carry the weapon, then so be it. I can only hope that they are a good enough shot to hit the cocksucker that decides to go on a shooting spree.... to further this, if the person carrying the concealed weapon has that weapon taken from them and THEN used for a shooting spree, then I still dont think it was wrong for them to be carrying it... finally, if the person licenced to carry the firearm goes mad and goes on a shooting spree, I hope the unlicenced maddman with the gun is a good shot.

[IanSzgatti]

and for the ones that they let carry guns they should have them take a mental evaluation test to make sure your stable mentally before they give you a gun.

"Look Mrs.Butterworth, you are a competent compassionate woman who is obviously dedicated to her pupils, but we see how your brow furrows when little Johnny giggles during english so.... no shot-gun for you. However the board has determined you qualify for the scholastic swiss army knife"