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[dbtk2]

I'm all for the 3800, I'd rather have one than a 60* just because IMO and in my experiences with them they are more reliable and easier to work on, and CURRENTLY they have a better aftermarket and can be made quicker easier. From the way things are going it probably wont stay this way much longer, but for now thats how it is.

However, whats really impressive about those numbers is how horribly underrated the turbo 3.1 is. (although you could say the same about a lot of those) 5 speed swapped ones with just a chip are making like 330+ WHEEL tq. My auto turbo 3.1 stock made 178whp, 272wtq....

Although now that I actually think about it, fwiw, my N/A 3.8 made those same HP numbers (178.3whp) with only 4 MINOR mods....but torque was nowhere near the same (227 instead of 272).

[Lysander]

Come on guys, a little maturity would go a long way to gaining respect from the L67ers. The reverse is true as well, of course, there are some folks on CGP with a serious lack of respect for just about everybody.

[SappySE107]

oh god, I can't sleep unless I am respected in the L67 community. HA HA HA! I didn't care in 2000. I didn't care in 2003. I don't care in 2007. This thread is far more mature than the ignorant babbling of L67 owners on clubgp.

[3100 MPFI]

I think I handled my view of it pretty maturly, but there are some that are plain haters and don't know why, and don't want to LEARN about it. If I am going to HATE something, then I HAVE to have a good reason too. I don't hate the L67. I hate the attitudes of the people that think it is the end-all of all engines.

Like I said in my post, I took those numbers as the LISTED HP and TQ numbers from a well known car source. I KNOW that GM underrated their numbers. I drove a 1990 TGP for a couple of months, and I was REALLY impressed with it. A lot more than with a 1993 Grand Prix SE with the twin cam,

The formula I used is simple. If you get DYNO NUMBERS to base it on, then use your numbers. In my case, I am going with an AVERAGE. Just because you have a TGP that makes 272 WTQ, that does not mean that ALL of them come that way.

The formula I used to do all of this is E = HP/D or in other words, EFFINENCY = Horsepower (or torque) divided by the DISPLACMENT in LITRES.

To estimate the revised displacments to determine what the car WOULD be making is HP = E x D (or HORESPOWER/TORQUE = EFFENENCY x DISPLACEMENT.

As to wether this is a good way of going about this, I am sure that there is a lot better, but it gives me a good baseline to go by when deciding what engine I want to mess with.

Going from the list I did in my previous post, I would want a MORE HP/TQ EFFICENT engine, so I would use the 3.4 DOHC, or the newer 3100 (which the newer LG8 3100 SFI is what I DID use in my 1988 Cutlass Supreme when a lot of the schmucks on W-body.com were telling me it was not near as good as the buick engine). It is more effecient than the NA 3800 in both HP and TQ.

[Lysander]

oh god, I can't sleep unless I am respected in the L67 community. HA HA HA! I didn't care in 2000. I didn't care in 2003. I don't care in 2007. This thread is far more mature than the ignorant babbling of L67 owners on clubgp.

Ok then, carry on

[RednBlack]

Come on guys, a little maturity would go a long way to gaining respect from the L67ers. The reverse is true as well, of course, there are some folks on CGP with a serious lack of respect for just about everybody.

I wouldn't lock this thread if you threatened my sisters viginity. I just happen to own an L67, merely because it was cheap. Compared to my LQ1, it's still, and always will be....... a boat anchor.

At least it hasn't caught on fire ......yet. I do park it further away from the house though. Just in case.

Grilled Pigeon anyone?


Edited: FYI, none of my sisters are virgins.

[Azrael]

The question on which was the better motor (Thank you chevy!) has already been answered by GM.

In the long-term (10-15+ years?), if places like ZZP don't start supporting the 660, they themselves will shrivel up as the numbers of L67's begin to dwindle from mileage, accidents, etc. Unless GM does something crazy like switiching to wankel or straight/flat engines the 660 design is likely to stay a loooong while.

[SappySE107]

Oh god don't even say that.

[OldSkoolGP]

I have tried time and again to convince people that at least the 3.4 DOHC is reliable and has a lot of potential. There is a smattering of support in the 88-96 section, but there are still enough people over there that shun anything but the L67 that I have given up trying. When I went to GPG 2005, we had a bracket elimnation drag race, I won in the stock class. It was 90+ degrees out that day, and every single L67 there was running like diarhetic dog shit. My car was a tenth off it's personal best. In the final round I dialed faster than a stock L67, and I beat his ass down and won. Every pass I made was within a margin of .1 second of my best and worst run, with a 3.4 DOHC AND a 5 speed. No one with an L67 could get near that consistent.

The next day we had a autocross event. All the power of the L67 didn't have a chance and I beat everyone by 4 whole seconds around the cone course.

Then the next day during the car show someone from a Pontiac magazine started asking me questions about what I had done to the car. He was very impressed with my performance during the weekend, and everything was fine until he said, "Now all you need to do is put an L67 in there." My off the cuff response was simply, " No, I don't want to ruin it." He never did write anything about my car in the event coverage. I guess you don't even need to own an L67 to have the ego.

Lysander: I know you own an L67. We had this debate before on ClubGP. As I said before, power isn't everything. I therefore reaffirm my challenge to you. Any road course in the country. Name the time and place. Bring your L67. Watch it lose. Oh, and have a nice day.

[Euro]

ok, so lets just put it this way.... the M90 adds 3" to your e-dick, and most L67 owners on clubgp will never grow up.

[Rhedalert]

that thread helped me burp. I was having gas cramps for the last hour!

[SappySE107]

Thanks fish, for making my point. You notice this topic is about you noticing us cause of the post that started on YOUR board. haha. and you joined here.

fyi, it was the GM drag car so that 1600 hp 3.6 DOHC was probably pretty quick.

[Fish]

Thanks fish, for making my point. You notice this topic is about you noticing us cause of the post that started on YOUR board. haha. and you joined here.

fyi, it was the GM drag car so that 1600 hp 3.6 DOHC was probably pretty quick.

For what? Coming here and asking why is it the hate comes from you guys? Then my post gets deleted cause you dont like it because it points out flaws. I understand. Not many people like being told how it is.

Cool. A GM drag car. What did it run?

[SappySE107]

I wont lie. I deleted it to spite you. I didnt even read it other than the end cause I wanted to get the jist of it. Its a soft delete so brad may read it. Im sure its not worth reading though.

You don't know what its all about so don't think you can join this site to tell me how it is around here.

[Fish]

I wont lie. I deleted it to spite you. I didnt even read it other than the end cause I wanted to get the jist of it. Its a soft delete so brad may read it. Im sure its not worth reading though.

You don't know what its all about so don't think you can join this site to tell me how it is around here.

So then you proved my point. You dont care. Your ignorant. And you do not want to have a debate. Thanks for proving MY point.

I joined, to tell you like it is, because that is how it is. As I said on clubgp. I pretty much signed up on a KKK board that hates on others for no reason other then ignorance.

Im sure there is a lot of info on this board. I might even use it to look up some stuff for my fiances 3.1 lumina. I however wouldnt want to be a part of the community. You guys may be cool, but when it comes to L67s the shit flies from your fingertips.