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  • Hello from Australia, please check me out!!!!

    Hey guys,

    Just thought id become part of the community as i am now a 60degree v6 believer.

    First and foremost my name is George and i am the owner of Pro Flow Fabrications in Melbourne, Australia. I specialise in all forms of turbo and race fabrication on all vehicles, but my main forte is V6's. I first started toying with the 3800 buick style engine in our local Commodores, slowly i have become Australia's front runner in turbo kit development for these engines. My turbo kit is a great seller on the Australian market.

    As i was playing with these GM decided to throw a new v6 on our market(and world wide aswell). Along came the LY7 Alloytec v6. Now the ecu setup that GM decided to use with these engines has been the main and dominating factor as to why people wont touch these things. Now the LY7 was released on our market in late 2004, and really no one has done anything to them since the last 12 months. I must admit as there was no software to aid the process of modification we all stayed away!

    Well for me the time had come to expand my market base so i was in need for a new test mule! The LSX market has been done to death here so there was nothing more for me to do there. I had a brief chat to friend of mine who just happens to be one of the propritors of VCM suit. He was more than confident that the LY7 could be tuned.

    So i set about finding the perfect car in which a series 1 VZ utility with the LE0 alloytec v6(LE0's had only vvti on inlet cam) and a 4L60E. I then set about developing a turbo kit to suit.

    I used an external gate Garrett GT3582R and a turbosmart 38mm wastegate. All in all with a 3" mandrel bent exhaust the kit was established.

    I then handed the car to my friend for tuning duties. He had the car for over 2 months, the final outcome being that the vcm software can not be used to tune the ecu due to the torque recuction being the main gremlin.

    It was at this point that i had reached boiling point with all this bullshit and bought an aftermarket ecu that was able to control the VVTi and FBW throttle. The ViPec V88 ticked all the boxes for me and i proceeded to have it fitted.

    Apart from the auto being strengthend and a 3000rpm stall converter and also a set of 440cc injectors the car and engine are stock. Also the engine has only 8psi in it.

    Below are some links of the dyno tune and our first outing at the drag strip.

    Id really like your feed back guys and also any other forced fed alloyecs running around as id love to see more. The future for this car is to run 10sec passes on an internally standard engine. We might even convert the thing to E85.

    Cheers

    VZ ute turbocharged Alloytec first outing at Calder Park. This pass the car ran a 12.64@108mph. The next pass the ute ran 12.55@109mph. The ute is a stock, h...


    alloytec v6 turbo kit with Vi-Pec V88 dyno run. This run saw 284rwkw all on only 8psi of boost. For Turbokit info go to www.proflowfab.com
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    Building Australia's fastest V6's

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    Welcome!

    Sir...can you please move to the states? Please? Turbo my LA1 lol.

    Awesome projects, and awesome stuff you have going on, you'll find a ton of useful stuffs on here.
    -Chris-
    03 Black GAGT Sedan
    MODS:
    MP Racing CAI / Magnaflow High Flow Catalytic Converter / Flowmaster 80 series w/glasspack resonator
    Front STB / MSD Ignition: 8.5mm wires & blaster coils / SOME BIG GODDAMNED MUDFLAPS

    And some other stuff to make it look pretty.

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    • #3
      The camaro is the most important force behind the 3.6's growing market over here. I am not the least bit surprised at how well the engine handles boost, and cannot wait to start doing engine work on them in 2010

      I have been watching the hptuner site for information on tuning those engine but so far it hasn't looked good. Without a tuning solution, as you pointed out, there is not much you can really do. The 3500 LX9 has had the same issue.
      Ben
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      • #4
        It does make a statement for high compression and boost, as that engine should have 10.2:1 compression and at least here in the U.S. is rated for use with 87 octane fuel. Swap friendliness is a problem since it would require the Ecotec bolt pattern and the appropriate transmission of which there are two 5 speed transaxles that should work between the Muncie and the F35 (originating in the Saab line) used with the supercharged Ecotecs.

        That's the unfortunate downside of the new PCM system or should I say despot system as it translates all of your inputs and decides what it will allow, so that torque management undoes everything you put into it.

        The Saab I believe has a boosted version of this engine. Initially it started out in the cadillac CTS and as mentioned had VVT on the intake cam only. I believe it was a 2.8L at that time.

        I thought the VCM suite had torque management worked out and VATS was still on the to do list. Not sure what 201 Kw translates into hp wise but I know about how much heat to expect from a 100 watt bulb.

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        • #5
          204 Kw is about 272 Hp that's stock for some of these engines naturally aspirated, something is missing from the picture.

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          • #6
            Before I opted for after market management I had a meeting with the owner of Powerchip Australia. They have bought the trouble codes and programs off Saab and where able to make a program for my car but the problem was, apart from the price tag, that MAF meter only has a frequency of around the 10psi mark. The other downfall was no tunability over the chip.

            Moving up to the ViPec was the best thing I ever done for the car. The plan now is to slowly start feeding the engine more boost and convert to E85. I've also started building a low comp engine with stronger internals but I'm having trouble finding rods and pistons for it so I'll have to get them custom made....... Unless there's someone states side anyone might know about!
            www.proflowfab.com
            Building Australia's fastest V6's

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ProFlowFab View Post
              Before I opted for after market management I had a meeting with the owner of Powerchip Australia. They have bought the trouble codes and programs off Saab and where able to make a program for my car but the problem was, apart from the price tag, that MAF meter only has a frequency of around the 10psi mark. The other downfall was no tunability over the chip.

              Moving up to the ViPec was the best thing I ever done for the car. The plan now is to slowly start feeding the engine more boost and convert to E85. I've also started building a low comp engine with stronger internals but I'm having trouble finding rods and pistons for it so I'll have to get them custom made....... Unless there's someone states side anyone might know about!
              The stock rods are very strong being powder metal and the fact that they are the same ones used in a production 300 hp motor. Then you can tack on the saftey range to that number for more room to make power. Unless you are planning to make competition level power you may be fine with the stock engine which also has a forged steel crank. You should be able to adapt some chevy rods but not sure you'll need them.

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              • #8
                Diamond makes us pistons for the pushrod motors but I can send them a stock 3.6 piston and we can go from there for a forged solution in whatever compression ratio is desired. I need to know the deck height of the piston, and the thickness of the compressed stock head gasket.

                2010 will see a lot more action for the 3.6 around here, as well as the VVT pushrods.
                Ben
                60DegreeV6.com
                WOT-Tech.com

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Joseph Upson View Post
                  The stock rods are very strong being powder metal and the fact that they are the same ones used in a production 300 hp motor. Then you can tack on the saftey range to that number for more room to make power. Unless you are planning to make competition level power you may be fine with the stock engine which also has a forged steel crank. You should be able to adapt some chevy rods but not sure you'll need them.
                  Ideally my plan is to make around the 400rwkw mark on E85. Im sure that a standard engine could do that........i'll found out soon enough!
                  www.proflowfab.com
                  Building Australia's fastest V6's

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                  • #10
                    That's an interesting build you have there. You Australians are nuts! (I mean that as a compliment) Most of the stuff you guys do down there is pretty cool. Is there anything you don't put a turbo on? Welcome to the site
                    -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SappySE107 View Post
                      2010 will see a lot more action for the 3.6 around here, as well as the VVT pushrods.
                      i like this statement, please elaborate.

                      delcohacking.net may be a good resource here, since i THINK they are based down there.
                      1995 Monte Carlo LS 3100, 4T60E...for now, future plans include driving it until the wheels fall off!
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                      Need a wiring diagram for any GM car or truck from 82-06(and 07-08 cars)? PM me!

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                      • #12
                        Well let's put another 3800 on the barbie
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ForcedFirebird View Post
                          Well let's put another 3800 on the barbie
                          Ha ha good call.......

                          In theory that's exactly what I've done coz I was planning on putting a 3800 in our drag car but have now opted for a LY7.

                          The power I made on 8psi with the 3.5 was the same power I was making on 19psi with the 3800
                          www.proflowfab.com
                          Building Australia's fastest V6's

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                          • #14
                            Freaking awesome!

                            i have done some extensive research with a flow bench and 3800 heads, and they just .. well .. fall flat on thier face Fully ported might fetch you about 200-230cfm ROFL that's about where 3500 heads start w00t!!!
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                            • #15
                              That is funny.......

                              I was about to buy alloy heads for the 3800 just so I can get more air flow. At $2300 it wasn't going to be a cheap exercise. At the same price I can build a 3.5 bottom end and make a shit load more power with stock heads!

                              I also have a GT42 which will also be going on the car. I can't see how these engines can't make 400rwkw. Fingers crossed it holds together.
                              www.proflowfab.com
                              Building Australia's fastest V6's

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