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  • Introduction from desperate Spanish tuner.

    Hi Guys,

    My name is Henk, a Dutchie living in Spain. I would highly appreciate your expert GM 2.8 V6 advice.
    I am trying to sort out a Lamborghini replica, apparently made or assembled in Mexico, consisting of the front half chassis donated by a Pontiac Fiero and the rear, in which the transverse V6 2.8 engine, by a Buick 6000 or equivalent (they think). The owner has also heard it might actually be a 3.1 engine but the manifold definitely states 2.8.
    The problem is that the whole wiring harness, partly butchered and partly doubled, was thrown in the back of the car, car was seen running at idle by the customer who bought it as it was, left it a couple of years and now wants it sorted out.

    I am trying to identify the ECU, which looks like a 122730 (researched a lot on internet, here in Spain hardly any cars like the ones using those ECUs), 3 plugs of 2 rows, 16 colums, 8 colums and 16 columns, sticker with service number 16175511. Tried the local GM dealer but they say they have no way to track that number back to a certain car/wiring schematic.

    I looked at various pinouts on the internet but cannot find anything even closely matching.

    For instance IAC is on E3, E4, E5 and E6. MAP is on B6, F15 and A4. EGR is on C12, F4, F5 and E9. One wire O2 sensor is on E14. These are the sensors I can reach easily and thus check easily. Other sensors will be a lot harder to reach as access to cable ducts is almost impossible.

    Can anybody help me with identifying the ECU application using that service number?

    Thanks!

  • #2
    Most of those pins match up to the following: http://tpiparts.net/1227730_pinout_diagram
    -Brad-
    89 Mustang : Future 60V6 Power
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    • #3
      Thanks Brad,

      That helps a bit, appreciate your input. This car is a manual trans though and as you said most of it matches, but not all. Anybody else who can narrow this down?

      Henk

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      • #4


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        Welcome to the site BTW!
        -Brad-
        89 Mustang : Future 60V6 Power
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        • #5
          OK Brad, that helped again a bit, still have issues though. I have made a page with all the pins that are wired and the functions I could confirm without a doubt thus far. Also made a sketch of the connectors on the ignition module, can you identify the module and name the connections as they would be on the pin out diagram of a typical 122730 ECU? This module is installed just above the starter motor. Do you know a site where the ignition module function is explained?

          Thanks agai, appreciate your effort very much!
          Attached Files

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          • #6
            ICM Description - http://60degreev6.com/content/Detail...dule_.28ICM.29

            ICM Pinouts - See below. This is for a different PCM, but the ICM still functions the same, so you can just find your appropriate pins by using the pin description shown.

            -Brad-
            89 Mustang : Future 60V6 Power
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            • #7
              Thanks Brad,

              How do these ECMs start, is the BAT + applied on contact only or is it permanent. If it is permanent the which is the activation signal which tells the ECM contact is on?

              Henk

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              • #8
                Not 100% sure exactly what you are asking, but I'll give it a shot... Again, I am going to use a schematic that is not specific to your ECM, but should be similar for this operation.

                ECM gets power (constant hot) via the starter post:


                ECM is "started" via the ignition:
                -Brad-
                89 Mustang : Future 60V6 Power
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                • #9
                  Hi Brad,

                  OK, see what they mean by "ignition" now, basically what is nowadays called line 15, "Key On" "Contact" voltage supply. I could still use a wiring diagram for this ECU although it is almost clear now, suppose injectors also get supply from the same "ignition" line as well as relays (in my case fan, fuel pump) and purge valve. What is the function of the fuel pump oil pressure switch in this application, European cars don't have that. Is it that on oil pressure present (thus engine running) that switch closes and thus maintains the 12 volt supply to the fuel pump and that the ECU only activates the relay untill engine runs?
                  Do you know anybody that can trace the original application of this car (model and year) based on the memcal number I put on that PDF format pinout list? In that case I can go to Alldata for the complete wiring diagram...

                  Meanwhile I owe you one, if you ever plan to visit Valencia let me know and I'll give you the "tour".
                  Last edited by HC_CDC; 11-07-2008, 04:37 PM. Reason: typos

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by HC_CDC View Post
                    What is the function of the fuel pump oil pressure switch in this application, European cars don't have that.
                    It is a fail safe mechanism. The ECM turns the fuel pump on to prime it and build fuel rail pressure when you first turn the key. The purpose of the oil pressure switch is to cut engine fuel if you loose oil pressure (stalling the engine) to avoid engine damage.

                    BTW, welcome to 60v6
                    -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
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                    • #11
                      OK, that's clear, although I wonder if GM cares if you damage your engine or not, must have been the solution in those days to a legal issue to cut fuel in case of turning the car over. Nowadays this is covered by collision switches or turn over switches, no more low oil pressure cut-outs.

                      Found a schematic typical for the A-bodies of those days, this also resembles my situation quite close. It is on http://www.a-body.net/forums/showthread.php?t=43. In combination with Brad’s schematics I should be able to get the engine running.

                      Will keep you informed.

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                      • #12
                        Code 54 on 1227730?

                        Hi Guys,

                        Checked all pins and voltages seem normal on contact on, of course canīt see what a few of them do until it starts. This is the problem, car wonīt start. Injectors pulse on oscilloscope.Sparks visible when I pull a cable and fit a spark plug. Has some explosions but weak and few. Draining fuel tank now and purging it untill all fuel evaporated. Meanwhile I checked the codes with the diagnostic test pin. Get 3 x 12, then 3 x 54, then 3 x 12 etc.
                        Fuel pressure is maintained (checked with pressure gauge) Can anybody tell me how code 54 is detected by the ECU (It is fuel pump problem acc. to the list I found for this ECU), i.e. what does the ECU measure to determine condition good or bad and on which pin?

                        Thanks

                        Henk

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                        • #13
                          Update:
                          With fresh fuel car started after some hesitation. Code 54 isnīt there anymore BUT...

                          The SES light stays on. I checked to find it wired to 12 V On Contact on one side, ECU E7 on the other side. Is this correct or should it be connected to ground instead where it is now connected to 12 Volt on contact?

                          Thanks guys!

                          Correction, 54 entered again and also 43. Also found that connecting the other side of the SES light makes it stop permanently thus question already answered, still would like to know about code 54 how it is set (conditions)

                          Thanks
                          Last edited by HC_CDC; 11-10-2008, 12:56 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Hi again,

                            OK, after pulling more wires out which were apparently open ended codes 54 and 43 have mysteriously gone, I am now stuck with a code 42. Can anybody explain what the ECU might be telling me (42 - The EST signal did not change when the ECM applied bypass voltage to the ignition module) and what the possible causes are? Checked signals with scope and digital pulses equivalent to 6 cylinders firing in 2 revolutions is normal, CKP signal also normal, inductive pulse, every 6th pulse is a double one.

                            Thanks guys.

                            Pinout of this car as it stands today attached
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