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  • Well drove the car to MS and back and to be honest it performed VERY well... the fuel pump on the other hand that I chose to use... well that's my fault, It failed between Harrisburg and Tenn. Might have something to do with me pulling out an old pump that was under my bench for 6yrs and deciding to use that instead of the one that I had in there last year... IDIOT!

    But beyond that I can't complain. I averaged around 28mpg on the highway with it on the way back... now that's something I can live with. It also still had quite a bit of stout power when I would go WOT with all my luggage in it... In previous trips to Bfest I always felt like the load made the car slower and this year it felt like it had way more pickup than last year with nothing in it... so that's a good sign for power improvements.

    A few issues on the way is my passenger axle boot hit or rubbed something at some point which then ripped a hole in it so it sprayed grease everywhere... Axle grease is now on my list of hated car fluids... I just pulled that axle out last night tore it all down and replace the outer boot... man I hate that grease. Other action items were to replace the temporary fuel pump I put in down in TN for the one I ran last year. I'm trying to keep the bucket in tact this year to see if that works and can flow enough into it to prevent the pump from starving itself but that would also give the pump better cooling when the tank does get low since it stays submerged. The last issue I had were the rear spring bump stops were dead and on every bump on my way home I would bottom out and due to the Neon rear disc swap my tires would rub the quarter panels. I need to do something with that configuration that will tuck the tire in just a bit more so I don't have to worry about rolling the rear quarters or something like that. SO I pulled the upper spring mounts and ripped out the bad bump stops and installed some universal poly ones so hopefully that will prevent against future bottom out's and protect the shocks better.

    I got my new converter back from RevMax... Not sure when I will swap that in but I guess it wouldn't hurt to do that prior to going to the strip at any point but we'll see what else I have to get done and how soon I can get there. I may run it with that converter at the Dyno just to see what it has and then try it with the other one at a later date.

    Direct port nitrous is still on the back burner... Way too much to work on all at once and I still have so much to settle off when it comes to this.

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    • SO... finally got a chance to bring it to the strip.... Didn't even make it off the line.

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      Talking with CV Source to find out what bar he used in my axle, as well as if he has any ideas for longevity... And i have feelers into Driveshaft Shop and RCV Performance for the bar only and not the CV parts since I have that already.

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      Had to drive all the way home with the Forester and camper and borrow a friends truck and enclosed trailer. 6+hrs of driving that day.

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      • Well there was some good last weekend, and some bad.....

        Lets start with the good...

        First N/A run, 13.62@99
        Second, 13.66@100
        Third, 13.58@98.8

        Then I hit it with nitrous... Something wasn't right on the first run and I got KR
        12.73@102

        Richened it up with jetting and got the best time ever, but low MPH... something's odd...
        12.611@105

        Slower third time and rolled onto the taxi lane and it was missing a cylinder completely.
        12.89@103

        Whoops...
        #2 plug


        #1, 3, 5 bottom up.


        and close up of #5


        I swapped all 6 plugs and the car is running fine right now... I'm still going to pull the engine and inspect the cylinders for any molten piece damage... hoping to not find anything detrimental. I was apparently running a stock style double platinum plug and forgot all about it... I should have double checked before spraying. I ran a stock heat range iridium plug last year with no issues but I had 9.1 compression. This year its 10.5:1. I was also running 99 octane race fuel at the track. Time to go to a TR6 v power NGK, or their TR6 Iridium version... one heat range cooler and suggested by them.
        Last edited by 3400-95-Modified; 10-15-2015, 09:11 AM.

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        • So I bought a 304 stainless catback from Dusty Peterson (wicked-irocz), I want this to be a one and done exhaust and not have to worry about it again... I also purchased a 304 stainless muffler from Spintech, 304 Stainless flanges for stainless V-bands and all... I even grabbed some left over stainless rods from the CNC at work to use as hangers.

          Progress pics...

          Got the main pipes in place and a V-band at the axle.


          Unfortunately I'm not very happy with how close the pipe ended up to the axle so I decided to buy an extra 120* bend so I can make the pipe go up above the muffler height then back down and turn back up to go in the back of the muffler... unforeseen clearance issues especially with my car being lowered and the potential I may try the Canuck springs which may be lower than the Eibach's. I want to make sure this pipe doesn't get hit by the axle at all.

          The pile of Stainless pipes keeps growing...



          Needed two 2.25" U bends to make up the rear exit that I had on the old system... I just can do away with the center exit, I like it too much.

          And a 2.25 5ft section to fill in the gaps of the rear setup. And some 308LSI TIG rod, Also got a 309LSI 10lb spool for the mig. 309 is best for mixed steal joining so thats why I'll have that in the MIG for tack's and such and be able to do stainless to mild in the future, but the 308 is best for 304 to 304 so that will be used on all the exhaust joints... AND yes it will all be back purged so no sugaring on the inside of the pipes!!!



          And pics of the old system from 2008





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          • here's an option if you don't want to back purge.



            as seen used here:

            "I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."

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            • New routing with the 120* pipe in there, Clears the axle way better...





              Not worried about back purging... I have some metal tape that I use to cap the ends, and I have a dual flow meter so all is well there.

              Did one flange last night after fixing my Subie... if this is a standard I set for myself I'm screwed... lol Muffler is coming tomorrow so hopefully I'll be able to actually finish the rest of the mock up Wed or Thurs night.


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              12.61@105 Epping NH Oct 2015 Nitrous 100shot (melted plugs) 13.58@98.8 N/A 3200LBS

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              • Getting some chit done last night.

                Muffler!




                Pipe made up to connect it.



                Welds came out ok so far.



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                Last edited by 3400-95-Modified; 04-14-2016, 09:44 AM.

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                • I wish I could weld like that.

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                  • Took a lot a patience to get it to come out that way... and I'm STILL learning how to do better. LOL

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                    12.61@105 Epping NH Oct 2015 Nitrous 100shot (melted plugs) 13.58@98.8 N/A 3200LBS

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                    • Originally posted by 3400-95-Modified View Post
                      Took a lot a patience to get it to come out that way... and I'm STILL learning how to do better. LOL
                      It does take a lot of patience and practice to make good quality welds. Your welds are showing the effort you are putting in as they do look good. You mentioned earlier back purging your welds. That can use a lot of argon if the system is large. Something we used to reduce the size of the purge area was a water soluble purge paper and/or tape. It is used to build a dam inside the pipe just beyond the weld joint area and when the weld is complete water is used to dissolve the dam. Due to the exhaust pipe being small diameter as apposed to some of the systems I worked on, the dam could be made with just the tape. It worked really well.

                      Ed

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                      • Lucky the sections that require a back purge are very short so the argon needed isn't that much. I only have to use it on the S design for the rear and the one pipe that I posted above where I have a butt joint. The flanges, if I keep the heat down I'm able to get the weld complete without any sugaring on the inside, its only the butt joints that are impossible to do that with. Plus the flanges if there is any rough patches on the inside I can easily clean it up. due to the easy access to it.

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                        12.61@105 Epping NH Oct 2015 Nitrous 100shot (melted plugs) 13.58@98.8 N/A 3200LBS

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                        • Originally posted by 3400-95-Modified View Post
                          Lucky the sections that require a back purge are very short so the argon needed isn't that much. I only have to use it on the S design for the rear and the one pipe that I posted above where I have a butt joint. The flanges, if I keep the heat down I'm able to get the weld complete without any sugaring on the inside, its only the butt joints that are impossible to do that with. Plus the flanges if there is any rough patches on the inside I can easily clean it up. due to the easy access to it.
                          Your observations with respect heat and/or need for purge are correct of course. I mentioned the purge paper more as something you may find interesting. On the other hand, in the future if you find yourself butt welding some long sections it is you may want to consider.

                          I don't recall but with this latest engine build, did you ever get it to the track? Best time? It has been fun to ride along and watch the evolution of the car. Thanks for sharing.
                          Ed

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                          • Yes I did manage to get the hunk down the track last year.. The time is actually in my signature, It did a 12.61@105 on nitrous which melted the spark plugs due to having too hot of a plug, but prior to that its now a 13.58@98.8mph car N/A which blew my mind since I did not expect this engine build to gain me over a half of a second... I was in the 14.1's with my old hybrid on a regular basis. This is also all with a 2095 stock style converter. I have not run it with my rebuilt RevMax one yet because the first rebuild I got back from them would not stay locked up on the higway and this car makes trips so that's necessary... I'm hoping the latest one in the box will work this time around so I can not only run nice on the highway with lockup but also maybe gain a few more 10th's with the higher stall by getting a quicker 60ft time.

                            And I will definitely keep the purge paper in mind for the future since with every project my welding requirements are getting more and more involved so I'm sure one day it will come in handy. A few years ago I never needed the ability to back purge and just last year I went on the hunt for a second L-35 flow meter so I could have a dual setup to make it possible. The collection of welding stuff continues to grow

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                            12.61@105 Epping NH Oct 2015 Nitrous 100shot (melted plugs) 13.58@98.8 N/A 3200LBS

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                            • Slowly plugging away at the exhaust system... Lacking the time to get out to the garage lately with my busy schedule.

                              Made up a muffler hanger from 316 stock.



                              And... Welding like a boss...



                              Also added a mid pipe hanger like the older cars had 316 stock again so it wont rust!.


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                              • Finished up the exhaust Friday of last week and I did not expect it to take on the MPFI note...



                                And the idle vid...

                                Last edited by 3400-95-Modified; 05-04-2016, 01:40 PM.

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