Big news, Possible 91-95 DOHC headers for production

[z34_nut]

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/

I e-mailed the comapany a while ago, and I just recieved and e-mail from the comapny today. I asked if they considered production.
here is the reply e-mail.

Hello My name is Matt Semeniuk, I am the webmaster for
MilzyMotorsports.com. You emailed us some time ago, but the emails have
not been seen until today since the email address
(products@milzymotorsports.com) it was mailed to was not activated.
Currently we do not make headers for your car. Also the DOHC that you
have is quite different from the 96-97 model. HOWEVER if you can get 4
other people with the same car and get us a car to develop the headers
on (delivered to Dayton, OH), we can develop them for your group and
then it will be available for individual customers in the future. Let us
know if you want to pursue this option or know anyone that would like
to. We would love to develop this for you or anyone.
Thank you and Hope to hear from you soon.
Thanks,
Matt Semeniuk

So we need 4 seriously interested members to possibly consider this. I e-mailed him asking about a ballpark price, and told him I would ask around. Spread the word, this could be one big step for us pre-96 DOHC owners.

[slick94prix]

Kyle, as I said on w-body, I'm interested in being a donor car. Just find out what all needs to be done in my part, and I could be in.

[your_I.D.]

check out mymonte.com. Milzy hangs out there. He has allready built a set for 96-97 DOHC. So im sure he could build them.

[slick94prix]

I'll hop on there late later on tonight. Thanks for the tip.

[z34_nut]

Still havn't heard back from him. I sent an e-mail about your interest, chris.

[SappySE107]

Are they planning to make them with the same general design of the 96 headers?

[heza]

i personally dont think the '96-97 headers are that great. they for sure arent equal length and just because they are the only mainstream headers, doesnt mean jack. i had a conversation with someone else regarding this subject.

im not saying Milzy's products are junk, i just dont see the equal length in them or dyno tests to back them.

[SappySE107]

Im not even concerned about equal length, because of other issues. After reading his thoughts on header design, ill pass on his stuff. Ill say it if heza wont, they are junk.

[z34_nut]

Im not even concerned about equal length, because of other issues. After reading his thoughts on header design, ill pass on his stuff. Ill say it if heza wont, they are junk.

Didn't know you accually had hands on with his headers. Oh wait, you don't. Please don't bring trash into this thread if you don't have any serious reasoning besides reading his thoughts. Regardless, he is willing to take the time to develop headers for our cars, and go figure, I get people bitching.

Anyway, I would like to thank Matt again for this offer. Its a big step in the RIGHT direction. All nay-sayers can stick with your manifolds. I don't care.

[SappySE107]

I can look at his headers and tell you whats wrong with them. Ive been doing it since I first saw them. Ill put it this way, they are designed horribly and his reasoning for the design is horrible as well. I don't have to touch shit to know it stinks, and I dont need to buy his headers to tell you they aren't a very good design. But you just go ahead and take that step in the "right" direction.

Perhaps you should open your eyes and not just think headers = headers.

[bszopi]

You could always go to the header master Aaron and have him make some for you...

[SappySE107]

Have fun with your too large primaries and no collector headers. They won't be on my car.

[OldSkoolGP]

Well, as much as I would like some headers for my car, I'd rather pay more for quality. And since Ben and Brad have repeatedly shown they know what they're talking about, think I'll have to side with them on this one. As I had to remind Aaron, anyone can make a fast car, but that doesn't mean it was made well. Anyone can make headers, but what good are they if they are not designed with the proper geometry and mathematical flow numbers. Simply putting on big pipes is not enough. Things like flow and velocity have to be considered.

Ben is right, those primaries are WAY too big, and you're gonna lose heat and velocity with them. Efficient exhaust gas scavenging can only be obtained when you have a collector to merge all the flows together seamlessly. Having gaps and pockets where there is no flow creates turbulance, something you try to AVOID with headers. If he's gonna make headers, make them right with tried and true methods instead of substituting your own logic. Don't show me shit and tell me it's bubble gum.

[z34_nut]

in order to make them equal length, the cost would go up considerably, and they'd have to remove things off the car to make room.

diameter for non 96-97monte dohc's = 1 5/8's. the montes are 2". crossover is probably 2.25", outlet will be 2.5" all flanges will be v-band.

lets say 500 for non-coated, 650 ceramic coated in USD, so whatever that works out to canadian for the exchange rate.

[bszopi]

Nobody is stopping you from getting them, so I don't know what the big fuss is. Everyone is able to express their opinions here, and its up to you to ignore the opinions or state a rebutle (which it seems you like to do). So, if you wish to continue to discuss it, you will continue to get replies about the quality of the products at hand. The more you respond, the more we will respond...

I just wonder what makes the Monte's so special that they get primaries that are almost 25% larger than the non-Monte's... And why so big? I've seen performance headers from high end header manufacturers for BBCs that only have 1 7/8" primaries. So a DOHC in a Monte requires a larger primary than a BBC? Explain that logic...