My cam thread comes back

[dohcfiend]

i remember one guy getting his cams done by steve long, i am not sure if the guy ever dynoed anything but i remember he was being an ass about sharing info.

he went by fierodaman on pff.

[ez112]

Yeah. I knew Steve Long was the guy to get a hold of about the 3.4L Cams. I talked to him eons ago. He said he actuall made three sets of reground cams.

Thats why I was wondering what this Alan guy might have known about these cams.

Not to sound like an ass, but whats really the point of this thread?

[SappySE107]

I had a set ground but sold them and them michael sold them. I wouldn't be surprised if he came up with the same specs for your build. Same description of what I told him, keeping some torque but improving top end. near stock lift and more duration. It was written down in a notebook somewhere around here...

[series8217]

i have a 5 spd btw.

my ultimate goal is to get it to about 3150 lbs. Which i think is about 450 more than a fiero with a 3.4 dohc in it.

DOHC Fiero is 2800 to 2900 lbs. I got my old one to 2700 by stripping out almost all of the interior, removing the trunk, no power options, and lightweight rims. You're not too far if you can make it to 3150 lbs.. still FWD though

[fieromadman]

You know if you would open up your eyes I shared my cam specs in four seperate threads on three seperate forums INCLUDING this one. Don't call me an asshole for wanting to wait to share specs untill they were prooven. Now that they were proven with a good tuned dyno I shared them, IN THAT SAME THREAD. BTW, the dyno thread by blue fiero on the fiero forum is incorrect. He DOESN'T have a northstar throttle body, it's stock 96-97.

And furthermore you can't compare dyno numbers from the FFP car to this one. You don't even know what type of a dyno it was on. Mustang dyno's tend to be lower in readings than other dyno's and bluefiero's pulls were on a Mustang dyno. Not to mention weather conditions and ETC ETC.

I also have the cams in my car, and there is a very noticeable difference in mid to top end power for sure. I dont have dyno numbers mainly because of tuning problems with me (i.e. needing bigger injectors) but I will soon. Unfortunatly my engine has significantly more mods than his, which could cause issues with comparisons.

http://60degreev6.com/forum/showthre...=26370&page=20 First post on that page was me explaining everything about the cams. On the next page I give Steve Long's phone number.

Thanks for blaming me for witholding info when it was really just that you were to lazy to research.

[SappySE107]

ok, he had before and after as far as I know, showing 170s stock. I don't talk to him and I doubt he is going to pop up out of no where like you just did and start sharing information again. I think it was 178 but I don't recall. So, if you have before and after for someone else, we can get a better idea. I don't remember what dyno he was on. He has much more exhaust piping than any fiero though, so its not even the same vehicle for the comparison. I can come to a conclusion though. I don't want the specs you guys have come up with so far.

[dohcfiend]

i got a price quote today, seems alan is moving fast to get this out of his garage. im not all that hard to please and with the specifications i gave in regards to powerband vs RPM i am sure i will be happy with the cams.

alan is hard to get ahold of but i am sure after he recieves my $$$, i will have the actual cam specs we plan on using. not too bad of a quote but not very good either. i was charged an extra $120 b/c the cams were frozen in the carriers but everything came out to $625 shipping included.

so i guess a normal job would be about $500. other than that, it will still take a minute to get my stuff back b/c after the cams are done, i want the housings polished and the cams shipped in the housings.

tuning will be a nightmare, not sure on who i plan on contracting for that job yet.

[fieromadman]

I'm actually glad that you don't want the same specs that we came up with. I would love to see several real life prooven options for cams with the 3.4 DOHC. For now what me and two other owners have are the best that we've got so far. They have out performed the cam timing trick by far and offer the power band that I want.

[Apex]

BTW, the dyno thread by blue fiero on the fiero forum is incorrect. He DOESN'T have a northstar throttle body, it's stock 96-97.

I knew he BS'ing about that! It sure as hell didn't have one when the previous owner had the car built...

[series8217]

I'm actually glad that you don't want the same specs that we came up with. I would love to see several real life prooven options for cams with the 3.4 DOHC. For now what me and two other owners have are the best that we've got so far. They have out performed the cam timing trick by far and offer the power band that I want.

Well yeah stock timing outperforms the cam timing trick too

[fieromadman]

I knew he BS'ing about that! It sure as hell didn't have one when the previous owner had the car built...

What's your real name Apex? Are you bob or did you buy the cams off bob?

And actually (although I stated that I didnt know for sure when I told him) bluefiero knows what he knows about that car because of me. I told him that it might have the northstar t-body on it when I told him the rest of what was done when that engine was built. I've personally seen the car since then and it doesn't. The reason that I thought it did was because Dave bought a northstar throttle body for it before him and I went our seperate ways. I just didnt know if he ever got an adapter made for it or not.

[pocket-rocket]

Well yeah stock timing outperforms the cam timing trick too

I've always got good results with it :P In fact, until I get cams, or something way more awesome comes about, I'm sticking with it on the '92. Besides, it's free, and showed better top end in my car.

[series8217]

Besides, it's free, and showed better top end in my car.

Oh you dynoed it?

I've done the cam timing and my conclusion was it feels faster on the top end because the bottom end sucks more.. but you don't gain real power as far as I can tell.

[SappySE107]

How about a dyno showing your conclusion is true?

[series8217]

How about a dyno showing your conclusion is true?

Read my conclusion again, Ben.
I am not disputing pocket-rocket's claim. He says it "showed" better top end. I concluded that it "felt" slower. Showing implies something that visually represents the power. This means a dyno graph.
My apologies if he just misspoke. I spent a lot of my time this year studying natural language processing so maybe I'm being too picky about words.

A year of driving the canyons with both cam timings I was consistently better off with the stock timing because the powerband with 13* is useless and in untimed races I ended up better off with stock.
Besides, I put down 220 whp with a modified intake and a balanced and blueprinted motor.. on stock timing. I'm happy with that, and my gas mileage is better than it was with the 13-degree exhaust retard :-).