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  • 96+ 3.4 DOHC Custom MSD Ignition. NO 56K

    This write up is for creating Custom Ignition Wires for the 96-97 3.4 DOHC Engine.

    I used the MSD parts to create these items.

    Here is the list of parts you will need.

    MSD 25' 8.5mm Ignition Wire #35019 x1
    MSD Ignition Coil #8224 x3
    MSD 90Deg Boots/Terminals #8850 x1pkg
    MSD High Heat Straight Boots #8854 x1pkg of 8
    MSD Hemi-Tubes #3475 x3
    MSD Wire Separators #8843 x1pkg
    MSD Pro-Crimp Tool #3505
    AC Delco Plugs #R42LTSM
    GM Gaskets: Throttle Body Gasket, UIM Gasket, Intermediate Intake Tube Gasket
    1991-1995 3.4 DOHC Rear Plug Boots or add x3 Hemi Tube Boots for alternate design.
    Dielectric Greese







    PRE-STEP
    Familiarize yourself with how to install a connector onto a piece of wire. Try this several times until you feel confident with how to do this proceedure as it will make a difference with your wires working or not. Use an old wire for reference or talk to someone that knows how and is willing to show you.

    STEP 1
    Removal of the Upper Intake Manifold(UIM)
    The bolts should all be 10mm.

    First step is to remove the UIM cause the rear plugs on the 96-97 DOHC are fully covered by the UIM.
    There are three bolts on the Intermediate intake pipe to the UIM.


    While you are in that area remove the PCV Tube from the UIM. YOu will find it right there by the bolt closest to the firewall.

    Now there are (7)Bolts holding down the UIM
    There are (2)Bolts holding the Coils to the UIM and
    YOu have to remove the EGR bracket held on with (2) Nuts on top of the bolts then you remove #9 Bolt holding down the UIM


    Now the UIM will come off, with a little tap with a soft malet and a wiggle it will come off.

    I now removed the Ignition Wires once the UIM was off.


    STEP 2
    TB Gasket Replacement.
    IF you are going to be replacing the UIM and Intermediate Gaskets you may as well replace the TB Gasket.
    The TB is held on with only Three (3) Bolts. One is on the top of the TB and the other two hold the bracket to the TB going into the intermedate tube. I removed the TB, and cleaned up the mating surface, then reinstalled a NEW gasket (GM) and re-installed the TB. For mating surface cleaning see STEP 4.


    STEP 3
    Lubricating the Spark Plugs
    Since I have no idea when the plugs were last changed I sprayed the plugs down liberally with some liquid wrench and let them sit over night.


    STEP 4
    Cleaning up Mating Surfaces
    Remove all gaskets and clean up the mating surfaces to make sure that there will be no vacume leaks. This is done to the UIM, Intermediate Tube and TB. Where ever there was a gasket going it was cleaned up.

    First I used a 2" metal scraper being careful not to gouge the aluminum, then I moved to a air powered grinder with a nylon disk. THe disk is just course enough to remove the old gasket materal and polish the metal but not scrap it.









    STEP 5
    Spark Plug Cleaning and Gapping

    When installing new spark plugs you must always check the gap and give them a little cleaning.
    I first started with the cleaning and then gapped the plugs.

    I cleaned off both ends with a wire wheel attached to a bench grinder. I then used 100grit sand paper to square off the ends of the electrode and ground for a sharp spark contact.

    CLEANED

    COMPAIRED


    Now gap the plugs.


    STEP 6
    Spark Plug Removal
    To remove the plugs I first tested to see what extensions I would need to get down the long tube. I then very carefully loosened the plugs. Taking note when laying them down to inspect them for any erreularities.




    STEP 7
    Spark Plug Replacement
    Now with the old plugs out, it is time to install the new plugs.
    I used anti-seize compound on the threads to help with removal at a later time if need be.
    I also recheck the gap just before installation.


    STEP 8
    Coil Replacement
    This step is only for those that are replacing the Coils as well. If you are not replacing the coils please skip this step.

    The Ignition COntrol Modual has (3) plugs connected. Remove these.
    The coil/ICM is held on with three 8mm bolts to a braket. Remove these bolts so that you can work on the coil/modual on a bench.


    Now with the Coil/ICM on the bench we can remove the coils.
    The coils are held on with 5.5mm bolts. x2 5.5mm bolts for each coil.



    Now the NEW coils can be installed.


    Re-install the Coil/ICM first bolting back in place then replacing he plugs.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Now we are into building the Spark Plug Wires.

    STEP 9
    Rear Head Plug Building

    Using the 91-95 3.4 DOHC rear boots we will build the rear plug wires.


    These factory boots/tubes separate. There are 4 tabs. Using a pair of needle nose pliers. Once we separate the parts the factory rubber boots can be removed.



    Campairing the stock 96+ boots to the pre 96 boots we can get a length for where we will need to cut the pre 96 boots


    I used masking tape to mark my cut point, then I used a cut off disk on a air tool to cut the length.


    Since we will be needing the tops of the boots to close off the opening I used the factory 96+ boot top. I cut the top off and then used a die grinder to open the wire hole a bit.




    You will need to grind off the excess of the pre 96 tube so that the 96+ Boot Top will go over it.



    Making the boot that will fit into the Tube.
    Placing a new High Temp Boot (8854) beside the factory boot that came out of the pre 96 tube will give us the length to cut the new boot at so that it will fit into the tube.


    Using a ever sharp knife cut the length.


    Contantly test fitting the boot into the tube shave down the high temp boot so that it slides into the tube and sits very snug so that it will not slide out then removing the plug wires at a later time.



    Crimp the end onto an end of wire and then put some Dielectric Greese on the connector and slide it into the high temp boot.

    Fit into the tube and re-assmble the factory parts to lock the new boot and wire into the tube.
    Test fit the new tube into the plug hole of choice (DO NOT push all the way down)to get the length of wire you will need. Using your crimping tool cut the length of wire.
    Now slide the Factory 96+ Boot top down the wire and fit onto the tube top.
    Crimp the coil end of the boot and install the boot (8850)


    Repeat this proceedure for the remaining two ingnition wires for the rear head.



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    STEP 10
    Front Head Plug Building

    Building of the 3 front wires is similar to the rears except that instead of using the pre 96 tubes you will be using the Hemi Tubes. Not only do these work better but they look a lot better too.

    Taking a Hemi-Tube you can see where you will need to grind parts off to get the tube to fit into the plug hole nice and snug.



    Using a die grinder remove excess and test fit. Continuosly do this until the tube fits into the hole perfectly. Do not remove too much material as you will cut right through the tube.


    Compared before and after


    Using a rear plug wire as a reference of length for the High Heat Boot cut and shaving a High Heat Boot (8854) Keep shaving and fitting the boot until it fits perfect and very tight.


    Cutting of the wire length is important. Slide an end of wire into the plug hole. Then length the wire to the ICM to get a close estimate length of wire. Add a few inches to account for human error. Set these wires aside.

    Going from shortes wire to longest, start assembling the front tubes.

    We now need to adjust the height of the Hemi Tube and assemble the wires.
    -Crimp a straight connector onto the wire, lube up the connector and slide it into the boot. Now run the wire up the Hemi-Tube forcing the boot into the tube nice and tight.
    -Now slide the Hemi-Tube into the plug hole, all the way onto the plug.
    -Taking the Red TOp of the Hemi Tube fit it onto the Hemi Tube so that it is close to the opening of the plug hole but not touching the head, giving a few centimeters of space. Mark where the Red Cap goes so that you will now where to cut. If you are unsure, cut long and then refit and then cut again until it fits perfect.
    -Remove the Hemi Tube from the head and then remove the wire and boot and begin to clut and fit.
    -Once the length of tube is perfect use this marking onto the remaining two tubes.
    -Assembly complete now crimp a 90 deg connector and install the 90 deg boot.
    -Do this for the remaining two tubes.


    STEP 11
    UIM Replacement
    Now with all the wires cut and fitted and looking good, it is time to replace the UIM.
    Following the removal proceedure but only in reverse re-install the UIM.
    Get a hold of a torque spec for the bolts and just dont go over tightening the bolts down.

    With everything back in place and looking good.








    Congrates you have just completed a set of Custom MSD Ignition Wires.

    At the writing of the there are currently only Two People that have these made. One is Hayes Performance in Edmonton on his Pre96 GP and mine 96+GP

    If you are looking for prices on the parts contact David at Hayes Performance in Edmonton Alberta @ 780-489-7510 or 780-953-7545

    Everything you have seen that I used I purchased through David.
    I dont know what this means but "ASS HATS" is funny

  • #2
    Very informative! that you for that! I'm going to do the same thing only with blue 8mm taylor wire!

    -GREEN 1995 Pontiac Grand Prix SE - L82/5spd MTX +
    -White 1995 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP - 97 207DOHC/6SPD MTX +

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    • #3
      Nicely done write-up. Very clean install. I would just point out though that if you're running a stock motor with no major modificaitons, using MSD igintion components does you no good. I know because I've run MSD coils and fat wires before and there is no noticeable performance gains. I think the reason to do this upgrade would be if you like the idea of red wires and coils, or if you're running boost or at the very least nitrous. Again, well done write-up. Nice to know people are still interested in doing them.
      I may own a GTO now, but I'm still a 60V6er at heart.

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      • #4
        I will be doing a write up of the DIS4 install later on.

        I will be running 100 Shot of N20 Wet this year so I want my ignition system top notch.
        I dont know what this means but "ASS HATS" is funny

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        • #5
          I'll convert this over to an article one of these days, using the new site functions. Once completed, I'll link to it for everyone's use.
          -Brad-
          89 Mustang : Future 60V6 Power
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          Follow the build -> http://www.3x00swap.com/index.php?page=mustang-blog

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          • #6
            Very cool. Good writeup!

            Have you looked into any ways to get the front bank plug tops to seal like the other ones do? It seems like with the Dodge plug wire holders the spark plug holes could trap moisture and cause corrosion.

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            • #7
              I use 3 PCV grommets for the Dodge 70's-80's V8's, with the hole enlarged,
              there a perfect fit.

              (I told Shawn to use them, hehehe)
              1991 Grand Prix STE
              3.4 DOHC
              1 of 792 Produced
              Extensive Mods Done

              1991 Lumina Z34
              3.4 DOHC
              Getrag 284 5spd
              1 of 30
              Canadian Z34 Models Made with the Getrag 5spd Wahoooo!

              1980 GMC Sierra Classic C25 With 18,000 ORIGINAL MILES!!!!

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              • #8
                Excellent!

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                • #9
                  Looks good but... Sory man but dont wast your money. There was no gain to having a msd dis-4. Hell I would give you myn. Then only thing I like about my msd was the 2 step and I dont have a 5 speed so it was usless. Im not trying to bust your balls but your not going to get much of any gains. Msd coils dis coils will fail after 8-15k miles I have 2 dead coils in my garage. When you changed the typ of boot you used in the front you made it so that sand can fallin to the spark plug hole and could mess up your spark plug seat or the threads so easy.
                  Last edited by Dave96z34; 01-29-2008, 12:50 AM.

                  96 Z34 3.4 SC DOHC Getrag, 284 5sd manual transmission, stage 3spec clutch, 97 engine, 97 pcm, S3 intercooler 1 of 1 Roots SC LQ1 in the world 8.5 psi.

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                  • #10


                    96 Z34 3.4 SC DOHC Getrag, 284 5sd manual transmission, stage 3spec clutch, 97 engine, 97 pcm, S3 intercooler 1 of 1 Roots SC LQ1 in the world 8.5 psi.

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                    • #11

                      I hope you did not rout your spark plug wires like that the have to face the inside and run along valley under the tabs. If they are like that right now the wires are being crushed by the plenum.
                      Last edited by Dave96z34; 01-29-2008, 02:40 AM.

                      96 Z34 3.4 SC DOHC Getrag, 284 5sd manual transmission, stage 3spec clutch, 97 engine, 97 pcm, S3 intercooler 1 of 1 Roots SC LQ1 in the world 8.5 psi.

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                      • #12
                        on those hemi tubes for the front bank are theey 426 or 392 type (first gen or second gen)
                        68 El camino 454 speed muncie 3.90 posi 12 bolt,
                        80 Monza Spyder nasty buick 231/3.8l v6 200-4R 3.73 posi.
                        60 Impala 2 door hardtop L79-327 T56 4.11 posi.
                        83 wagoneer torque pig AMC 360 hydradrive (gm turbo 400 with stock sb chrysler bellhousing boltpattern) dana 20 transfer case dana 60 front GM 14 bolt rear. 401 in the wokrs
                        91 Z34 now has a hm284. and belly pan in the works

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                        • #13
                          Like the writeup bro, But Those MSD coils are trouble, more people have problems with them and the wires most of us in the 3800 community advise agains using them hell our 9sec drag car runs stock coils and wires, and unless your going to run a Coil on plug system the ignition system is not worth upgrading.
                          Last edited by 91parkave; 01-29-2008, 06:24 PM.
                          L27 ,CAI,Custom headers, Alky injection,series one uim swap,S2 TB,85mm maf from N*star ,Apexi SAFC,denso iridium plugs,8000k hid's,B&M shift kit plus adj. vacum modulator, custom Engine mounts, alternator rewire,Camaro SS calipers w/ BAER crossdrilled/slotted rotors,poly ENdlinks,PCV mod,wrapped headers and crossovers,A/c delete,3' high fllow cat with hooker ultra-flo muffler,,30# injectors from buick GN,

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                          • #14
                            You can have good and bad luck with ANY AUTOMOTIVE PART/ PRODUCT.

                            I have MSD twin tower coils, single blaster coils, etc on my vehicles, PLUS my many, many customers vehicles I have installed them on and I haven't had ONE bad coil or any other product from MSD that has failed.

                            The MSD coils on my Daily Driver were installed new in 2000 and have not failed since.

                            Just cause one person or a few for that matter have had bad luck with a certain product DOES NOT mean that the other few million customers are going to have bad luck too.
                            1991 Grand Prix STE
                            3.4 DOHC
                            1 of 792 Produced
                            Extensive Mods Done

                            1991 Lumina Z34
                            3.4 DOHC
                            Getrag 284 5spd
                            1 of 30
                            Canadian Z34 Models Made with the Getrag 5spd Wahoooo!

                            1980 GMC Sierra Classic C25 With 18,000 ORIGINAL MILES!!!!

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                            • #15
                              In making those comments by the way its not in anyway to start a arguement.

                              Its just the same as One Person saying That GM cars are crap and that ONLY FORD or DODGE can Make a good car.

                              If a person has had great success with MSD products then GREAT, if not, then HEY "NO WORRIES" use a different type of wire.

                              The "HEMI" tubes by the way are the ones used to build the Pro Drag Wires, for the "Two plug" style Drag engines, Its just I use these cause there great to work with for customizing.

                              Regards to All

                              David
                              1991 Grand Prix STE
                              3.4 DOHC
                              1 of 792 Produced
                              Extensive Mods Done

                              1991 Lumina Z34
                              3.4 DOHC
                              Getrag 284 5spd
                              1 of 30
                              Canadian Z34 Models Made with the Getrag 5spd Wahoooo!

                              1980 GMC Sierra Classic C25 With 18,000 ORIGINAL MILES!!!!

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