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  • Hesitation '91 GTP

    Hey guys,
    I am having a hesitation issue with my '91 GTP 5 speed. I bought the car in July of 2010 with 197k on it. It now has 208k. Since I have owned this car, it has had a tip in hesitation which is temperature related. For example on a cold winter day ~20 degrees fahrenheit on a cold start, the first 2 or so minutes are very smooth and hesitation free. After about 2 minutes, the hesitation crops up and gets worse as the engine temp increases. The hesitation is at its worst at about 130 degrees. Once the engine warms up to 195, the hesitation is still noticeable, but much less so. If the outside air temp is like 40 degrees or higher, the hesitation is there right from the start, even on a cold start. I guess I should describe the hesitation. Every time you crack the throttle, the engine cuts out to an extent momentarily, causing the engine to rock back and then forward again about once; sometimes a bit violently and then it gets over it. If you roll onto the throttle extremely (and I mean extremely) gently you can just about avoid it. The engine performs fine; it's got good power and runs smoothly except for said hesitation. I have checked the fuel pressure (45psi; service manual says 40-47 is acceptable), MAP sensor values look fine. Even switched MAP sensors with another car and it made no difference. No SES light. I drove the car twice right after I bought it in July before pulling the engine to do some repair, and it had the hesitation then. While the engine was out, I replaced the timing belt and chain, bottom end, and some other things including the TPS. When I had the car running again a few months later, the hesitation still existed and had not changed a bit. I bought a 3.4 service tool kit for the thing, figuring the cam timing was off a touch. I pulled the cam gears off, bolted my homemade hold downs on the cams (service tool kit was missing the cam hold downs), etc. and put it back together. Hesitation was unchanged and still exists. Have you guys experienced anything like this before? I really like this car, but this hesitation's about to drive me wild! What should be my next move?

    Thanks,

    Andy

  • #2
    What are the block learn and integrator showing for fuel trim?

    What happens to the O2 voltage when it hesitates?

    When was the last time the throttle body was cleaned?

    Does the computer show approximately the same engine temp as the dash gauge? Is the computer showing a reasonable temperature?

    What is cranking compression? Spark plugs and wires good?
    ^ some people may call this guy an asshole at times, but he isn't wrong very often -- Robert

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    • #3
      The ability to datalog and post them would be my first move. The information on what you need can be found on this page.

      Ben
      60DegreeV6.com
      WOT-Tech.com

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      • #4
        With Key on engine off see if the throttle position sensor has smooth action from zero to 100 percent. Also see if with foot off gas that you have .5 volts TPS reference voltage at zero percent throttle. Also check the intake air temp sensor value when cold to see if it reads the same as the ambient air temp and moves smoothly as engine warms up. Then remove Idle air control valve and check for carbon build up. It can't hurt to check engine vacuum with a gauge, hose long enough to use when driving. One odd ball thing to check is if the crankshaft position senser might be going bad it could be cracked and as it goes through the thermal shock of warmup might introduce a miss into the ignition module which would be random. Then you can check and do all that other stuff. Personally,with that kind of mileage if it looks old/bad/questionable I would replace it. P.S. have you checked spark plugs and wires? Look at engine running in the dark/at night, you might be surprised

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        • #5
          Thanks very much for the suggestions guys. Plugs and wires are good. I replaced both when engine was out. I will check out the other possibilities in the next few days and report back!

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          • #6
            what brand, plugs and wires are you running?
            1992 z34 284 Stock Torch Red

            2004 saturn ion redline: harrop tvs 1.3L s/c
            26 lbs of boost. Not so stock

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            • #7
              TPS voltage and percentage both look good. I have .54 volts at closed throttle key on engine off. TPS voltage and percentage increase smoothly as throttle is depressed. I don't have a vacuum gage unfortunately. Crank sensor appears fine. Can't see any cracks but perhaps I'll replace it anyway considering age/milage. No buildup in the IAC passage. I am running platinum AC Delco plugs and AC Delco wires. Where do you guys think I should go from here?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by chevelle3504speed View Post
                I don't have a vacuum gage unfortunately.
                Start with the MAP sensor. What is it showing with KOEO, and both at idle and under load?
                ^ some people may call this guy an asshole at times, but he isn't wrong very often -- Robert

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                • #9
                  Okay thanks Schurkey. Will check into that. So I drove the car up to the Spring Rod Run in Pigeon Forge, TN this past weekend. I had not been to that event before. Lots of cool cars, but I was surprised at the number of jacked up 3/4 and 1 ton diesel trucks with rebel flags hanging off the back cruising the strip. That event is fun but rednecky as hell, and keep in mind I live in AL! Anyway, to get to the point, my SES light came on on the trip, and when I jumper the ALDL connector, SES light flashes code 39. I could not find a code 39 listed in the service manual. After looking in the manual, I went checked the code again and confirmed that it is 39. Anybody know anything about code 39?

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