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  • 3.4 VIN X LQ1 Engine Block Heater Warning

    The ongoing struggle to repair my '93 Lumina Euro 3.4 head gasket includes adding a block heater to the engine. Since the rear head is removed from the block, this was the perfect opportunity to pop a block heater into place in the rear core hole. HOW COULD I GO WRONG? The process resulted in the discovery that Kat's (Five Star Manufacturing) block heater catalog lists the WRONG block heater for the VIN X LQ1 3.4 DOHC engine.


    This incorrect listing is carried over to the Amazon "Does It Fit" selection guide. I bought my block heater from Amazon. As of today, 7 March 2012, Amazon still lists the Kat's 11425 block heater as fitting the 3.4 DOHC engine. I will return the incorrect heater to Amazon, which (hopefully) will result in them correcting their listing. I am also sent e-mail to Kat's; again the end result is to have them correct their catalog.

    The Kat's 11425 does NOT fit. No how, no way. Not possible. At least, not in the rear (right bank) core hole as used by GM for the OEM heater (which, by the way, is no longer available from GM.) The Kat's heater element will interfere with the middle cylinder before the housing will seal to the core hole.

    Kat's may make a block heater that does fit this engine. I have NOT investigated which part number is correct, but if I had the inclination I'd start with #11415. This part number was suggested to me by the local CarQuest parts expert--but they did not have one in stock to compare.

    The Zerostart 3100015 pops right in. There is an obvious difference in the shape of the heater element; suffice to say that it does not interfere with the middle cylinder.







    Note that both heaters are photographed without the O-ring seal; I had just finished trial-assembling them into the engine--I wanted to see that they fit, and I didn't want seal friction to add to the installation force. There is NO WAY the Kat's heater could be shoved in that hole!

    Before actually installing a block heater, it's a good idea to verify that the thing is electrically sound. Plug the cord into the heater, and perform two resistance tests with a quality multimeter.
    Resistance from one flat blade of the cord plug to the other flat blade: A block heater is nearly always "around" 35 ohms. Other kinds of engine heaters may have more--or, more often, LESS resistance.


    From either flat blade to the round ground lug should be an open circuit--no continuity.


    Resistance testing through the cord would be the FIRST thing I'd do if I suspected the heater didn't work. Usually the cord is defective, sometimes it's the heater. Easy to tell with an ohmmeter by testing the conductors separately.



    The original core plug was a complete nightmare to remove, because unlike so many engines where the plug is driven into the water jacket, and then turned and pried back out using a water pump pliers as a "hook", the core plug of the 3.4 will not push far enough into the water jacket due to the middle cylinder being in the way. DO NOT drive the core plug farther into the engine! Drill a small hole off-center of the plug, thread in a sturdy sheet-metal or wood screw, and PULL the plug out using some kind of pry bar. There's no working room; you can't see it from the bottom even with the exhaust removed. If I didn't have the cylinder head removed, this would have been impossible.

    Because I tried to push it into the block--and there isn't room--removing this core plug took about five hours. In the process, I scarred the core plug hole. Engine heater was installed with High Tack sealer on the O-ring for added insurance against leaks. I'm not proud of this; but please learn from my mistake!




    Specified torque on the retainer bolt for the Zerostart heater is 20--25 INCH pounds. This is the same as TWO foot-pounds. I used a 1/4 inch drive torque wrench; I swear tightening by hand would over-torque the fastener.



    The head gasket that started this repair disaster:


    The lifter tick bulletin that became part of the head gasket repair:


    Pulling '91--'95 DOHC lifters apart:
    Last edited by Schurkey; 03-08-2012, 10:19 PM.
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  • #2
    this is some interesting stuff, Schurkey, what else do you have planned for this LQ1?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by robertisaar View Post
      this is some interesting stuff, Schurkey, what else do you have planned for this LQ1?
      Getting it running by the end of summer??? This project is dragging on WAY past it's welcome. Friggin' hanger queen.

      My only "real" intent is to put it back together and drive it. If I update the camshaft/lifter oiling and so it quits knocking like it's throwing a rod, I'd be real happy. (Both the '92 and this '93 knock so loud you'd think they were chucking rods out the pan; and both have been doing it for...oh...forty to eighty thousand miles, with no drop in oil pressure.) Truth is, I have every expectation that the lifters have nothing to do with it, it was piston slap all along.

      I'm good with a die-grinder; I'd port the heads if I had the time and some idea of where to grind. Realistically, I think the valves are gonna get lapped, and fresh valve stem seals, and inspect the guides...and go right back together. Maybe some clean-up where the seat inserts meet the bowls; or any place I might see casting flash in the ports. I have quickie-cleaned the heads in the solvent tank, but not pulled 'em apart yet.

      At this point, I haven't even taken the front head and cam carrier off and apart. I "think" I'm gonna slap a head gasket on the front bank "Just Because", but it's not completely decided yet. I have other vehicles that need into the garage for attention, and this one is holding up the rest. (Partly due to my schedule conflicts--trips to Arizona/California (just completed), and another to Virginia (begins 10 March.)) When I get back from Virginia, I'll need to schedule a trip to Minneapolis--trying to buy a pair of LQ1 heads and cam carriers from a guy there, and I can't seem to connect with him, or the guy near him who's selling a pair of Polk loudspeakers I'm interested in, but which will almost certainly cost more than I can afford.
      Last edited by Schurkey; 03-08-2012, 01:41 AM.
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      • #4
        GM pn (expensive)
        24504963 heater
        10406507 cord

        May also fit comes with cord 40$
        12496608


        But good to know the Zerostart 3100015 fits
        Last edited by Dave96z34; 03-08-2012, 01:46 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dave96z34 View Post
          GM pn (expensive)
          24504963 heater
          10406507 cord
          Good to know. Local GM dealer told me they were discontinued; but perhaps buying the heater and cord separately instead of together...they might still be available.

          Originally posted by Dave96z34 View Post
          May also fit comes with cord 40$
          12496608
          http://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-12496608-...-/120793359338
          Looks like the GM heater is made by Zerostart. The cord in the eBay auction appears to be longer and of course, wrapped with convoluted tubing.

          Originally posted by Dave96z34 View Post
          But good to know the Zerostart 3100015 fits
          $17 from a local source. Can't beat it.
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          • #6
            Update:

            Just got off the phone with Steve McConnell of Five Star Manufacturing. This was a very disappointing phone call, but I should have expected that because they wouldn't reply to any of the e-mails I sent. Steve swears the block heater will fit, even claimed (twice) to have a 3.4 DOHC block in-house that is used for trial-fittings. If I send the heater to them, (at my expense) they'll test-fit it in their block.

            If I send it to them (at my expense) they'll give me a ~$7 credit; (Gee. That'll pretty much pay for the postage.) or trade for a 11415 heater--but he says the 11415 is "made on the same die" as the 11425, and there's only about 1/8" difference between the two models. My guess--since there isn't a 11415 locally for me to inspect--is that the '415 won't fit a DOHC either.

            What can I say? Even without the O-ring, the Kat's heater will not seat in the core hole due to the element interfering with the middle cylinder. His suggestion was to tighten the retainer screw to "force" it into position.

            Buy the Zerostart. Pops right in, no drama, no force.

            I can guarantee I'll never buy a Kat's (Five Star Manufacturing) product again.

            I sent yet another e-mail to Five Star, (Attention Steve McConnell) giving them this web page address, and asking them to respond with their side of the story.
            Last edited by Schurkey; 03-26-2012, 04:06 PM.
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            • #7
              Force it in, lol. That's exactly what I would want to do on something in a coolant jacket in a very hard to reach spot. /sarcasm

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