Oil and Filter preferances

[asylummotorsports]

I stopped using Royal Purple when I couldn't get 0W30 any longer, so now it's Mobil 1, at least in the 3500. It's seldom driven except to the track and back.

My Quad gets Mobil 1 5w30 exclusively. (154,xxx miles, never touched)

I'm going to have to look into this Delco plastic oil filter issue!

[SofaKingWeToddDid]

Royal Purple

&

A K&N Oil fiter..........

whats the royal purple do for ya other than hit your wallet a little harder? lol

[asylummotorsports]

^^I'll try and address that.^^

Most Off-the-Shelf Synthetics are actually mineral based. (Penzoil, Castrol, etc.)

Royal Purple, Lucas, Red Line and the "premium" brands are fully polymer based.

Now Mobil 1 has managed to attain "full synthetic" status however as I understand it, it has something to do with it being a blended base, but it does in fact contain mineral elements.

Polymers will last basically forever, however dirt still builds up.

On the other hand mineral elements break down in time.

Ok,,, so that is the very simplistic difference as I think it was explained to me.

More to come on this I suspect.

[HayesPerformance]

The difference I have personally seen in engines I have taken apart that have been running fully polymer based Synthetics since new or even for a number years is amazing.
( the oil was changed on a regular basis thought)

If Synthetic Oil Is too much For a person to spend, then just make sure you do change the oil when it needs to and you will still reap benifits of a well taken care of engine.

During the winter, I change my oil even more frequent because of idling, way more condensation, etc.

There is no harm what so ever (especially will regular oil) Changing your oil a bit sooner then the regular specified Km's or Miles, You just end up with a cleaner engine and genrally the bottom end will last a very long time. (That is if the rest of your engine is maintained regularly and a person doesn't abuse the engine)

[payback]

i used to run mobil1 full synthetic however the life span wasnt that great, i now run Valavoline Synpower full synthetic ill just say..ill never use anything else again. and k&n oil filter. 96 3100 engine bone stock (LIM gasket preventativly replaced@140k)...220k miles and running excellent.

[SofaKingWeToddDid]

The difference I have personally seen in engines I have taken apart that have been running fully polymer based Synthetics since new or even for a number years is amazing.
( the oil was changed on a regular basis thought)

If Synthetic Oil Is too much For a person to spend, then just make sure you do change the oil when it needs to and you will still reap benifits of a well taken care of engine.

During the winter, I change my oil even more frequent because of idling, way more condensation, etc.

There is no harm what so ever (especially will regular oil) Changing your oil a bit sooner then the regular specified Km's or Miles, You just end up with a cleaner engine and genrally the bottom end will last a very long time. (That is if the rest of your engine is maintained regularly and a person doesn't abuse the engine)

did you copy and paste this?
lol it sounds straight out of a text book!! if not, that is some impressive explaining my friend! are there people out there who wouldnt change the oil before its due?? they must drive every sunday, only sunday. and never in the dust or rain. never in hard weather, and also never change their underwear till the day is over. even if they have a little accident.

[hypedz34]

i kno this thread is about prefrences of filters and oil but just out of curiosity why are fram filters so bad?and does the filter have anything to do with thr reason why my engine is leaking oil so bad?even after i changed all the valve cover gaskets and intake gaskets?

[asylummotorsports]

The oil filter likely has nothing to do with the leak unless it is leaking itself. Easy to check/change.

Fram oil filters have a bit of a bad reputation, whether genuinely earned or not, for poor performance.

[robertisaar]

Fram oil filters have a bit of a bad reputation, whether genuinely earned or not, for poor performance.

oh, they earned it alright....

go to google and start typing " FRAM oil filter" and at LEAST one of the suggestions will be for "problems" or something related to it.

there have been multiple studies of them, all of them finding all but one series of FRAM filters to be complete junk.

[pocket-rocket]

i kno this thread is about prefrences of filters and oil but just out of curiosity why are fram filters so bad?and does the filter have anything to do with thr reason why my engine is leaking oil so bad?even after i changed all the valve cover gaskets and intake gaskets?

Here is a post titled "Lost all my oil in 2 seconds - like an oil bomb went off" on the truck forums I visit.

http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61198

To quote a couple of the guys on there:

i would filter my oil through a roll of toilet paper before i used a fram.

it's not a leak that is the problem the SOB'S blow holes like it's been shot with a 357 mag.. $60,000 motor replacment in a 385 excavator over a fram filiter...

IIRC, Totalled had 3 Fram filters blow up on him...

Back in the day, when I was working in the quick lube at my dealer, we would crush oil filters for recycling. After hearing the crusher turn fram (and other cheap filters) to a
1/4" tall hockey puck without a grunt or groan, I would never use one of them. The same size motorcraft it would bog down the crusher a little. You can definately tell who uses the thicker skin.

My personal experience with them... I used to only use Fram and Penzoil for a while. After all, that's what grampa uses on his vehicles, so it's probably good stuff, right?... Anyways, after a while, my oil pressure gauge would hardly read anything but pegged when the engine was running. I thought the sending unit was fubared, so I was considering changing it. Procrastination got the better of me and I never got around to it. I started hanging out with Ben (sappyse107), and after less than a month, we are tearing the heads off of my car... We did some cheap port and polish work on them with a Dremel (the p&p work done to it now is done the correct way with the correct materials ) and put them back on the car. When that was done the car got an oil change, and Ben asked why I grabbed a Fram and Penzoil. He told me Frams were known to have flow problems, especially in cold weather. I asked what he suggested, and he said Purolator and Mobil. We got back, put the filter on and put the oil in and I noticed right away how much cleaner the Mobil looked compared to Penzoil and when the car fired up my oil pressure gauge acted normal again. Reason being- the PSU is between the pump and filter. Since the filter isn't flowing what it should, pressure was building between the pump and filter, registering over 80psi on my gauge. When a better flowing filter was placed on the car, the pressure no longer built up between the two and the oil actually flowed where it is supposed to.

[robertisaar]

the most famous oil filter comparo:

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/reference.html

[pocket-rocket]

Ah yes, the famous oil filter study. Someone on TRS bashed that once... Then again, that guy asked me "WTF did you do to the bypass" when I mentioned how I knew how Frams were junk. That guy was a royal tool with the attitude of a major royal tool. He is a knowledgeable guy, but a douchebag none the less...

Advance started having their own house brand oil filters and the manager told me they were made by Purolator. They were cheaper than the Purolator, and had the grippy surface on the entire can. It just sucks they don't stock them anymore

[IsaacHayes]

I don't like the purolator premiums cause they spray that rough texture on the whole filter and bits of that grit end up in the filter and on the rubber seal/past that inside... NO THANKS. Their standard filters are ok.

I use AC Delcos PF52 now and I haven't ran into a plastic inside one yet, but will keep my eye open.
I used cheap Oreilly's brand oil ever since I had the car, but last change I put in the valvoline maxlife semi-synthetic in cause it was on sale..

[SofaKingWeToddDid]

i kno this thread is about prefrences of filters and oil but just out of curiosity why are fram filters so bad?and does the filter have anything to do with thr reason why my engine is leaking oil so bad?even after i changed all the valve cover gaskets and intake gaskets?

oil pump drive seal, or cracked/destroyed PCV line underneath the LIM

(just a guess) does smoke pour out from your wheel wells after you drive it hard?

[SofaKingWeToddDid]

oh yeah, so far ive got NO HOLES in my K&N oil filter, which by that study, claims it as a waste of money!! haha well could be worse. im not using those stupid fram ones.