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  • Interesting article about lifter tick in a similar setup

    This clip is from http://www.classicjaguar.com/v12engine.html

    The complaint was excessive tappet noise, which was very puzzling because the cam profile, cam follower (tappet) and much of the valve gear differed little from the XK.

    The root cause is that the cast iron followers run in an aluminium cam carrier rather than cast iron sleeves as on the XK so the running clearance varies with temperature. All engine components are manufactured within certain tolerance limits and in this case the largest permissible follower must be able to run in the smallest permissible carrier bore - BUT - this must be so down to minus 40 degrees in a severe North American winter. At the other extreme a low limit follower mated with a top limit carrier bore could be quite sloppy in a hot engine. The actions of these components are exceedingly difficult to analyse but it does seem that cam profile, tappet clearance, side movement, rock-over at peak lift, tappet rotation and valve concentricity with its seat, all play a part in the generation of what is perceived as tappet noise. The range of side clearances involved is not great, ranging from about 0.0005" to 0.002" at room temperature, so effort was concentrated on cam profiles with gentle take up which would be less likely to provoke the followers to rattle about. An acceptable cam was introduced in the early 1970s but it was always a good rule of thumb to set the inlet valve clearances to tight limit and exhausts to wide limit (being hotter the running clearance works out about the same). By 1993 the market required some further cam profile refinement although it should be noted that the fundamental valve motion hardly changed over the years.
    Ben
    60DegreeV6.com
    WOT-Tech.com

  • #2
    Figures, I know my engine creeks and pops for about 20 minutes after shut down, as the heads and cam carriers contract and shift back to normal.

    Lyle

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Lyle's GTP
      Figures, I know my engine creeks and pops for about 20 minutes after shut down, as the heads and cam carriers contract and shift back to normal.

      Lyle
      Mine does the same thing...Is your click/pop methotical, like it happens every 1 second? Mien is very methotical, it ticks continuously every second for around 20 minutes afterward.

      Never bugged me, but none of our other cars do it as loud or in a set method.

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      • #4
        alot of catalitic converters do that, thats prob what it is

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        • #5
          I'm with 4spdz34...... I've never heard my engine crack/pop while cooling down... my dad's 83 Z28 will but I know thats the heat shields around the converter and manifolds.....
          1993 Chevy Lumina Z34; 4T60-E, CATCO 2.5" hi-flo cat, Flowmaster Exh, American Racing Aero Rims, KYB GR-2's
          1999 Tacoma SR5 TRD 3.4V6 4WD, lift, tires, rims, exhaust, couple of tricks
          1962 Buick Electra 225 STOCK... and gonna keep it that way

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 4spdz34
            alot of catalitic converters do that, thats prob what it is
            Could be, I know my Cat is an aftermarket one, made by a place called Carsound Cats.

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            • #7
              Well either way, I have yet to hear any DOHC not pop when shut off, or just started up. Even one in a Fiero that I am not quite sure if it had a cat or not.
              -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
              91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
              92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
              94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
              Originally posted by Jay Leno
              Tires are cheap clutches...

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              • #8
                both of mine dont pop. the exhaust does thats it , the engine has never popped.


                Jake
                GM Goodwrench Tech - GM Certified

                1991 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP - 3.4L DOHC , 5 Speed Manual Transmission , Turbonetics 62mm turbo, Turbonectics Evolution Wastegate , Turbonetics Raptor BOV , Large Front Mount Intercooler , AEM Methanol Injection , Car is running at 11PSI currently with methanol injection.

                Runs 13.4 In the 1/4 with a 3 second 60 foot

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by grandprixgtp_91
                  both of mine dont pop. the exhaust does thats it , the engine has never popped.
                  Same here. I have never heard my engine tick or 'pop' like other cars do when theyre shut off. I dont even recall ever hearing the exhuast pipes tick as they cool off.
                  1991 Grand Prix GTP LX9swap/Getrag 284 --- SOLD =(
                  1994 Corvette
                  LT1/ZF6
                  2006 Dodge Dakota 4x4
                  3.7/42RLE

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                  • #10
                    I know on my 3400 it's all that exhaust shielding that makes all that racket..



                    Cliff Scott
                    89 BerettaGT
                    89 Volvo740
                    Cliff Scott
                    89 BerettaGT
                    04 AleroGX

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cliff8928
                      I know on my 3400 it's all that exhaust shielding that makes all that racket.
                      Mine doesn't have any exhaust shielding so it isn't that.

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                      • #12
                        I jacked the car up and listened closely to it, and it is my exhaust setup, coming from the Cat. Oh well I'll live with it, and if it isn't hurting anything, I'm not going to "fix" it yet.

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                        • #13
                          lemme guess, it's coming from the converter heat shield?

                          who woulda guessed?

                          Cliff Scott
                          89 BerettaGT
                          89 Volvo740
                          Cliff Scott
                          89 BerettaGT
                          04 AleroGX

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                          • #14
                            I don't know/care. Soemthing around the cat though.

                            Fuck it, I don't fix what ain't broke.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Aaron
                              I don't know/care. Soemthing around the cat though.

                              Fuck it, I don't fix what ain't broke.
                              I second that. Both cars have done it since I have had them, so I have gotten used to it. I don't sit out by the car after I shut it off, so it's not like I have to sit there and listen to it till it's done. It's not a bag of popcorn or anything, it will be alright, lol.
                              -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
                              91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
                              92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
                              94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
                              Originally posted by Jay Leno
                              Tires are cheap clutches...

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