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  • Starting a DOHC after 2.5 years

    I need/want to start working on the lumina again this summer. I plan on changing the oil. I know most of the oil in the cams have probably drained down to the pan. I will be changing it with Amsoil 5W-30. The motor has like 10k on a rebuild.

    Do I need to worry about rust in the cylinders? What about priming the oil pump? Do I need to do that? I know if you start a DOHC after a few months of sitting its loud for a few minutes until the oil goes through the motor, any ideas?


    1992 Lumina Z34 | 3.4L 207ci DOHC 60º V6; Getrag 284 |
    1994 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP | 3.4L 207ci DOHC 60º V6; Hydra-Matic 4T60E |

  • #2
    Is the gas in the tank that old too?
    1991 Grand Prix STE
    3.4 DOHC
    1 of 792 Produced
    Extensive Mods Done

    1991 Lumina Z34
    3.4 DOHC
    Getrag 284 5spd
    1 of 30
    Canadian Z34 Models Made with the Getrag 5spd Wahoooo!

    1980 GMC Sierra Classic C25 With 18,000 ORIGINAL MILES!!!!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by HayesPerformance View Post
      Is the gas in the tank that old too?
      Ya

      I plan on draining that out and cleaning the tank also.


      1992 Lumina Z34 | 3.4L 207ci DOHC 60º V6; Getrag 284 |
      1994 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP | 3.4L 207ci DOHC 60º V6; Hydra-Matic 4T60E |

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      • #4
        you should take the plugs out and crank it over until you see the oil pressure start to rise up on the gauge, wont take long at all, dont forget the oil filter will hold all the oil, so really there shouldnt be a problem.

        Jake
        GM Goodwrench Tech - GM Certified

        1991 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP - 3.4L DOHC , 5 Speed Manual Transmission , Turbonetics 62mm turbo, Turbonectics Evolution Wastegate , Turbonetics Raptor BOV , Large Front Mount Intercooler , AEM Methanol Injection , Car is running at 11PSI currently with methanol injection.

        Runs 13.4 In the 1/4 with a 3 second 60 foot

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        • #5
          you may have rust. My cylinder walls rusted after 2 months sitting in my garage. It had no pistons or heads but you could still have some..

          -GREEN 1995 Pontiac Grand Prix SE - L82/5spd MTX +
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          • #6
            see if you can get a boroscope to look at the cylinders,, you could use some fogging oil or wd-40 in the cylinders and then start her up after building oil pressure with the plugs out
            94 Grand Prix
            3400- NX 75 shot, Cammotion cam, S&S headers, and a few more toys

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            • #7
              Fogging oil would be good but as long as you had the TB closed any oxidation would be minimal. I'd get some IsoHEET and thow that down the tank. Instead of pulling plugs just floor the engine while starting, that will bring it into clear flood mode and build up the oil pressure which should come up very quick. Should be at lik 70 psi in 3 seconds, hold for no more than 5 more seconds. Release the gas pedal and and it should start up roughly and then clear out. Before doing this you'll need to prime the fuel system, you can do that by running the loose connector by the drivers side electrical center tot he positive remote terminal or you kick the key on and off 3 times. Keep it off for 10 seconds then turn it on for 5.
              Last edited by gpse3400; 04-10-2008, 11:12 PM.
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              • #8
                Along with priming the fuel system you should also bleed the old fuel out of the fuel rail or it'll just end up back in the tank and in the engine which won't burn very well. Before you turn the key on for the first time try pressing in the schraeder valve on the rail and see if fuel squirts out. If it does you still have rail pressure which means your pressure regulator is still good. Then turn the key on a couple times and pressurize it and do it again twice more. By then you should have clean fuel in the rail which will make startup easier.
                I may own a GTO now, but I'm still a 60V6er at heart.

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                • #9
                  I would also put a small bottle of menthol hydrate in the tank to evaporate any water/condensation build up from sitting all that time.

                  Did you every start it up every so often at all?

                  Something I don't like about letting a engine sit without running it every so often while it parked is some of the oil seals start to dry up/ harden and you can end up with some new oil leaks. It would be a bad Idea to add a oil additive to soften the seals abit like Lucuas, etc.

                  There was in one HOTROD Magazine I had a new cylinder spray that helps clean the cylinders without causing damage for a engine that has sat some time. I forget where it is..........
                  1991 Grand Prix STE
                  3.4 DOHC
                  1 of 792 Produced
                  Extensive Mods Done

                  1991 Lumina Z34
                  3.4 DOHC
                  Getrag 284 5spd
                  1 of 30
                  Canadian Z34 Models Made with the Getrag 5spd Wahoooo!

                  1980 GMC Sierra Classic C25 With 18,000 ORIGINAL MILES!!!!

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                  • #10
                    Hey,

                    Was that picture of your car taken in Arizona? LOL Looks like a spot I know on mount lemon outside of Tucson.......... LOL
                    1991 Grand Prix STE
                    3.4 DOHC
                    1 of 792 Produced
                    Extensive Mods Done

                    1991 Lumina Z34
                    3.4 DOHC
                    Getrag 284 5spd
                    1 of 30
                    Canadian Z34 Models Made with the Getrag 5spd Wahoooo!

                    1980 GMC Sierra Classic C25 With 18,000 ORIGINAL MILES!!!!

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                    • #11
                      Pressing the schraeder valve in after it sat for awhile doesn't prove if the regulator is good or bad if it has pressure or not.

                      I had several cars sit and sat for extended periods of time and rust is vary minimal. If it sat that long the oil should have been changed at least twice a year and idled for 20 min. and reved after warm to 3 grand for 30 seconds once a month.

                      I recently brought my euro back on the road and currently only battling exhaust system failures.

                      It may only reflect on PR engines but since getting old reliable on the road again I inspected the top engine and found out I had to put a new plenum and intake manifold gasket on it because they where squished and rock hard. However this time I made my own plenum gasket. I scoped around the heads and saw no obvious reason to pull the heads.
                      Last edited by Juglenaut; 04-11-2008, 11:45 PM.
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                      • #12
                        my black z34 started after 5 years with old oil and gas lol. dont ask me how she started . but after it started i changed everything and took the gas out .

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by markz34 View Post
                          my black z34 started after 5 years with old oil and gas lol. dont ask me how she started . but after it started i changed everything and took the gas out .
                          Chevrolet, Like a Rock! 5 years with old gas is crazy, did you use some kind of stabilizer with it before you parked it? I did with the 92, and that was for just over winter, lol.
                          -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
                          91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
                          92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
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                          • #14
                            nope nothing it was parked 6 years ago becuase i just baught a new car so i parked it at my cottage . then 5 years after i baught the new car i decided i want to drive the lumina again . so i went there it needed a jump of course lol and it start just about right up stumbled a big but it started and actually ran quite good. but now shes blown r.i.p and i still have the z34 bug so i found an 92 z34 and had to pick that up .

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                            • #15
                              Well, did this car ever get started?
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                              '92 Volvo 740 Wagon - former parts car, now daily-driver beater
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