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  • twin cam front cover replacment

    I just got my new 3.4 DOHC home, and cracked the front timing/front cover. I have a spare one. Can it be replaced without removing the heads or the cams?
    Taylor
    1988 Olds Cutlass Supreme 3100 MPFI
    1990 Pontiac Grand Prix STE 3.1 MPFI
    1994 Olds Cutlass Supreme convertible
    1998 Lincoln Mark VIII
    "find something simple and complicate it"


  • #2
    pics of the damage



    Taylor
    1988 Olds Cutlass Supreme 3100 MPFI
    1990 Pontiac Grand Prix STE 3.1 MPFI
    1994 Olds Cutlass Supreme convertible
    1998 Lincoln Mark VIII
    "find something simple and complicate it"

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    • #3
      I think you can. I haven't done it but I don't know of anything bolting through the head or cam carrier that you don't get to from the timing chain cover already.
      Ben
      60DegreeV6.com
      WOT-Tech.com

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      • #4
        I talked to Lorenzo and he said I should be able to do it. I will just have to remove the cam sprockets (as well as the other timing components, and harmonic damper).

        I didn't want to open the engine up, but I guess it could be worse. At least I KNOW it runs. Before we pulled it, we drove the car.
        Taylor
        1988 Olds Cutlass Supreme 3100 MPFI
        1990 Pontiac Grand Prix STE 3.1 MPFI
        1994 Olds Cutlass Supreme convertible
        1998 Lincoln Mark VIII
        "find something simple and complicate it"

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        • #5
          i am working on it now. I don't think I will even need to remove the cam gears.

          It is pretty straightforward. The only issue I am having is with the lower cam sprocket removal. My uncle will bring me a tap set tomorrow, and I will do it then.
          Taylor
          1988 Olds Cutlass Supreme 3100 MPFI
          1990 Pontiac Grand Prix STE 3.1 MPFI
          1994 Olds Cutlass Supreme convertible
          1998 Lincoln Mark VIII
          "find something simple and complicate it"

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          • #6
            One question, HOW THE FUCK DID THAT HAPPEN???


            WWW.OverKillEngineeringMotorsports.com

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            • #7
              I ment just remove the lower cam sprocket
              Lorenzo
              '11 DODGE Challenger R/ T Classic 57M6 Green with Envy "Giant Green Squid"
              '92 PONTIAC Grand Prix SE 34TDCM5 "Red Lobster"

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              • #8
                I was lifting it out of the back of a van, but for clearance reasons, I could not use my engine leveler. The lift bracket that it was bolted too twisted, and snapped the cover.






                and I am GLAD this happened. Check out this mess.





                Taylor
                1988 Olds Cutlass Supreme 3100 MPFI
                1990 Pontiac Grand Prix STE 3.1 MPFI
                1994 Olds Cutlass Supreme convertible
                1998 Lincoln Mark VIII
                "find something simple and complicate it"

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                • #9
                  I got the front cover swapped out today. I didn't get pics of the new cover back on, but I will get pics of that tomorrow.

                  Here is the broken cover. Tomorrow, I think I will piss on it, then throw it in the garbage.



                  This is the new cover gasket. It is THICK instead of being just PAPER like the 3100 one. In this pic, I have it sitting on a 3100 front cover just to see if it can be used on a 3100. Looks okay to me.



                  and how thick it is



                  And here is the engine with the cover off.



                  This is a closeup of the timing chain and tensioner on the 3.4 DOHC. I think that when this is all over with, I will see if the tensioner can be added to a 3100. Seems like a good idea.



                  These are the holes I had to tap into the cam sprocket to use a puller to get it off.



                  I tapped 3 holes, then used a grinding wheel on my dremel to enlarge the slots of my puller so that I didn't have to buy a new puller.



                  That is all for now.
                  Taylor
                  1988 Olds Cutlass Supreme 3100 MPFI
                  1990 Pontiac Grand Prix STE 3.1 MPFI
                  1994 Olds Cutlass Supreme convertible
                  1998 Lincoln Mark VIII
                  "find something simple and complicate it"

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                  • #10
                    Nice chunk of ALUMINUM...........Which isn't doing to badly in scrap value...

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                    • #11
                      yeah. I think when this is all said and done, those 2 bad engines, I am going to keep some choice parts off of them, and then scrap the rest. I need to clear out some of my stock anyways.

                      I think tomorrow, I am going to start pulling the engine out.
                      Taylor
                      1988 Olds Cutlass Supreme 3100 MPFI
                      1990 Pontiac Grand Prix STE 3.1 MPFI
                      1994 Olds Cutlass Supreme convertible
                      1998 Lincoln Mark VIII
                      "find something simple and complicate it"

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                      • #12
                        Recycle aluminum for cash!
                        sigpic New 2010 project (click image)
                        1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
                        16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
                        Original L82 Longblock
                        with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
                        Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.

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                        • #13
                          i just might do that.
                          Taylor
                          1988 Olds Cutlass Supreme 3100 MPFI
                          1990 Pontiac Grand Prix STE 3.1 MPFI
                          1994 Olds Cutlass Supreme convertible
                          1998 Lincoln Mark VIII
                          "find something simple and complicate it"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 3100 MPFI View Post
                            These are the holes I had to tap into the cam sprocket to use a puller to get it off.



                            I tapped 3 holes, then used a grinding wheel on my dremel to enlarge the slots of my puller so that I didn't have to buy a new puller.



                            That is all for now.
                            That's great. That looks exactly like the puller I have and that's exactly what I did to make it work!

                            Tim
                            1995 Z34 - T04E "60" trim, 42.5 lb/hr injectors, AEM WBO2, FFP UD&DB, 3" exhaust, 2800 stall, shift kit, tranny cooler, Powerslot, Hawk HPS, rear disc conversion, KYB, Eibach, HMS F&R STB, Fittipaldi Force 18" wheels, big stereo, lots more coming eventually...
                            325 whp 350 lb-ft

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                            • #15
                              I talked to Ben and that is what he recommened doing. I think that the next time I have to do this (please God, don't let me EVER have to do this again, but just in case.....) I will use a steering wheel puller that is only 2 bolts. I thought it would be harder to get out, but it was suprising.

                              It is held in with just enough force to make it so you can't remove it by hand or with simple tools.
                              Taylor
                              1988 Olds Cutlass Supreme 3100 MPFI
                              1990 Pontiac Grand Prix STE 3.1 MPFI
                              1994 Olds Cutlass Supreme convertible
                              1998 Lincoln Mark VIII
                              "find something simple and complicate it"

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