Pre Engine Oiler Kit's

[Lyle's GTP]

Hey, I was wondering if anyone knows of anyone who has had a pre oiler kit. Does any body know about these kits. They are supposed to reduce bearing wear by like 60% or something like that.

Basically they bring the oil pressure up before you start cranking, so you don't start dry. There are different types though. Ones with a electric motor that drives an auxilary oil pump. Or the other kind has a tank that holds the oil pressure from the time you last ran your car, then releases it when you turn your ignition on.

Any info, I'm thinking about adding one to my car when I rebuild.

Lyle

[SappySE107]

The only setups I have seen were for the initial engine start for break in. They get the oil moving so that startup doesn't rely solely on the moly lube. Do you have a link to any products you are talking about?

[Lyle's GTP]

Here is a couple to show you. I kind of like the 3rd one, but it's expensive. But can you put a price on engine wear? I kind of like the oil change option as well.

http://www.keith-eickert.com/oil_preoiler.htm

http://www.autoenginelube.com/pages/903473/index.htm

http://www.prelube.com/powrlube500.html

What do you think, any recommendations?

Lyle

[SappySE107]

"And every time the engine is started, several hundred revolutions of the crankshaft occur before pressurized oil is present to lubricate the bearings.'

Bullshit, idle is say 800 RPM. Even at that, this phrase means that a minimum 15 seconds for oil pressure to build. Our engines build pressure almost instantly, due to anti drain back valves and half hollow cams that store some oil for startup. I don't think the issue is close to as drastic as these companies make them out (marine engines that don't get much use will use it). Unless your car sits for months, I don't think you need to worry about it.

[Lyle's GTP]

Yah, they are BSing prttey bad, no doubt. My only concern is the temps up here, it gets fucking cold man. Some times you can't plug your car in and it's -35C. The bitch really whines when you fire it up. I think it's a worthy upgrade for that purpose. That is if that little pump doesn't blow up from trying to pump a jello mold to the bearings.

Couple cold oil stories, sort of related.

My brother in-law in a tech. here in the city. He said that cars and truck have come in with diff. problems. So he drives them in and pops the cover off, and the oil just sits there molded in the shape of the cover. He said it takes about 15-20 minutes before the oil will start to drip out. That's fucked up.

Also if you drive a 4X4 that has a on the fly system when its been cold. It's so hard to drive, because the diff oil is so sludgy that the rear wheels have to push the fronts. So the rear end always looses traction and wants to walk side ways. Makes accelerating a pain.

Lyle

[SappySE107]

diff oil is thick stuff, so im not surprised. The oil used inthe engine should be good for colder temps than -35 degrees, at least I would hope so. I don't have to worry about that here. I would also worry about one of those pumps holding up to those conditions as well.

When you shut the engine down, there is still a layer of oil between the parts/bearings. The cold conditions are going to shrink everything and open up tolerances as well so I don't know that pumping more oil around there is gonna make the noises go away.

[Lyle's GTP]

I've tired adding oil to my car from a container that was sitting in -35C. Let's just say I didn't feel like waiting. It's like fucking Heinz Ketchup. I have my car parked in a heated parkade a night anyway. It's only when I'm working when it has to sit out. But it only gets that cold here about 4-5 times a year the rest of the time its around 10-15 below.

Lyle

[ryan.hess]

I read somewhere that 75% of engine wear comes from the initial startup on a cold morning... I believe it... Oil film or not, you need pressure to keep those parts separated.

[Lyle's GTP]

True Dat!

Lyle

[pocket-rocket]

Well, the way I see it, the 91 has 151k miles on it, and it has taken it that long to start to get noisy (like as in parts sounding loose) on startup. I plan on rebuilding it, but I don't think the engine will ever see that kind of mileage after the rebuild. I can't say it gets to -35 here, but it gets frigging cold in the winter. Also when rebuilding, as long as you use better then OEM parts, the engine won't be wearing as much on startup. I am not saying that you shouldn't worry about cold start wear, but I am saying this isn't an Enzo engine, so it isn't that expensive to redo.

[GPXSS]

youd be better off investing in some type of oil heater to keep the oil from thickening up.

oh, and why would you want to fuck heinz ketchup? thats nassy

[Lyle's GTP]

Yah I'm going to put in an oil pan heater, and a circulating block heater. She'll be warm even before I fire her up. Ohhh Yah!

Oh and about the Heinz ketchup thing. Don't knock it till ya try it!

Lyle