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  • Making a 3400 look like a 3100

    i race at a short track and we can only run up to 3100. I cant keep up with the 2.8 and 3.1 that the guys that are putting cams and getting there heads done. So I have a 1996 beretta with a 3100 i found a 3400 for $400 i was wondering if i could put my upper intake on the 3400 so it looks like a 3100. and if that is possible would the pump up the same.

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    The blocks are identifiable on the outside. If you can modify your engine, why not do that instead? You can use the 3100 intakes on a 3400 but if they see A on the block, they will know its a 3400 block. Put the 00+ 3100 heads and manifolds on your motor.
    Last edited by SappySE107; 08-21-2010, 06:35 PM.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by SappySE107 View Post
      The blocks are identifiable on the outside. If you can modify your engine, why not do that instead? You can use the 3100 intakes on a 3400 but if they see A on the block, they will know its a 3400 block. Put the 00+ 3100 heads and manifolds on your motor.
      where is a the A located on the block. what is the differnce in the heads and manifolds on a 00+ 3100. hom much hp will i gain

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      • #4
        You have a B on yours now, and its on both sides of the block. The 00+ 3100 stuff is the same as what the 3400s have. 15hp easily. Ported they can provide even more power. Use the 3400 TB though, its 56mm instead of 52 like your 3100 has now.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by SappySE107 View Post
          You have a B on yours now, and its on both sides of the block. The 00+ 3100 stuff is the same as what the 3400s have. 15hp easily. Ported they can provide even more power. Use the 3400 TB though, its 56mm instead of 52 like your 3100 has now.
          I do have the 56mm Tb i got it from You guys i love ur site. ok well do u no any thing more i can do to get mor hp. I am runing my stock tranny with a 2.0 torque converter. Like i said they are running 2.8 and 3.1 with stage two and three cams and head work. i am fast but cant keep up with the leaders. No one runs a 3100 they cant figure out how to make it faster I have been trying to find out. so anything helps.

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          • #6
            Cam it and do the newer heads and manifolds. Port them and its even better. I have headers available, though not in stock yet. The design is done though and more are being made. What are you going to do about tuning? That is very important. DHP does your 96 PCM and HPTuners would do a 97 PCM that drops right into your harness.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by SappySE107 View Post
              Cam it and do the newer heads and manifolds. Port them and its even better. I have headers available, though not in stock yet. The design is done though and more are being made. What are you going to do about tuning? That is very important. DHP does your 96 PCM and HPTuners would do a 97 PCM that drops right into your harness.
              I am sorry what do u mean tuning. what is DHP and PCM. What cam would suggest. If i i cam it do i have to change anyhting more to make it work. i heard a cam would do more bad then good cant run headers. wish i could lol. sorry for all the question.

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              • #8
                PCM is your computer. DHP is out of business but you can still find the hardware used sometimes. Cam depends on the powerband you use. You would need new valve springs at least, and if you went with a cam bigger than what I have listed as Street, then longer pushrods are a must.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SappySE107 View Post
                  PCM is your computer. DHP is out of business but you can still find the hardware used sometimes. Cam depends on the powerband you use. You would need new valve springs at least, and if you went with a cam bigger than what I have listed as Street, then longer pushrods are a must.
                  Thank you very much i can see what i can do i will be coming to you for the cam and anything else i need. Would you be interested in sponsor me by chance. if not it ok. i race here in indiana

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                  • #10
                    grab a 3500 and grind the C off the block, drop that in with a healthy cam and a 3100 upper intake.
                    Past Builds;
                    1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
                    1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
                    Current Project;
                    1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Superdave View Post
                      grab a 3500 and grind the C off the block, drop that in with a healthy cam and a 3100 upper intake.
                      i like this the mostest!
                      1995 Monte Carlo LS 3100, 4T60E...for now, future plans include driving it until the wheels fall off!
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                      • #12
                        you could even try and make a B outa bondo haha
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                        88 Beretta CL- 13.641@102.76mph (rwd LS1/t56 conversion in progress)

                        77 Celica GT- 3400/3500 swap in progress (engine from the beretta)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Alxsmt View Post
                          you could even try and make a B outa bondo haha
                          JB weld
                          Past Builds;
                          1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
                          1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
                          Current Project;
                          1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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                          • #14
                            there is more to the 3500 block. there is 2 place ( next to the front crank sensor and behind the flywheel) that is written 3.5L
                            Mike 60degree addict.
                            Beretta 96 3500 - 14.981@ 93.32
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                            • #15
                              Right, 3500 is a PITA to do what you are asking, so just use a 3400 block, or keep the 3100 and upgrade the top end.
                              Ben
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