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08-21-2008, 01:26 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Albany NY
Posts: 26
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Turnin' to 60V6 for help with 3.6 LY7 head flow
Ok, I do not own a G6, CTS, Outlook, Aura, or any other vehicle that uses the LY7 heads. However, after my Passat lease is up, I'm going for an 05 6MT 3.6 CTS... early this spring.
Ok, the quest is to purchase a bare head, and a set of valves, and flow bench them. Then to port them on my own time and dollar, to see what kind of flow we can get out of them, have them reflowed.
I am asking for donations to Paypal for anyone that would be interested in these numbers. I'm well known on other forums and have been around these forums reading up for well over a year, I also use my first name as my screen name. I'm going to a bunch of different forums for the dontation request. I'm not doing this for profit, I'm going to be spending my time porting and driving and negotiating, so we can figure out some hard evidence for head flow numbers.
Cost for bare head: $384.94
Cost for 2 intake/2exhaust valves: ?
Plus shipping costs
Plus material cost for porting
Plus flow bench costs.
So, if I get enough by way of donations, then I'll perform the work. If not, I'll just return the funds. You can PM me or look up my email address if you want to make a donation, I don't know the forum policy on posting something like this, so I don't want to outright post my email address in the forum. Question are welcome. If you have any donations other than funds, like a head, or some used valves that would be very helpful as well.
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08-21-2008, 08:40 PM
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Captain of the Failboat
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: warsaw,indiana
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Ill post the numbers on this site for free once I am done with the pushrods, and have the DOHC head and intakes for R&D. Please let us know what you come up, and how the bench was setup when testing the head (for comparison).
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08-21-2008, 09:23 PM
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Has too many hobbies.
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Missouri
Posts: 4,259
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Did you check car-part for a used head? Sometimes you can get stuff cheap when there isnt a big demand for a motor yet.
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16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
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08-21-2008, 11:33 PM
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Site Coder
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Bella Vista, AR
Posts: 5,898
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There you go.
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08-22-2008, 12:01 AM
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Captain of the Failboat
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: warsaw,indiana
Posts: 9,228
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thats a heck of a deal, id jump on it.
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08-31-2008, 06:05 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SappySE107
Ill post the numbers on this site for free once I am done with the pushrods, and have the DOHC head and intakes for R&D. Please let us know what you come up, and how the bench was setup when testing the head (for comparison).
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looking forward to hear the results, i hear they flow well from the factory
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08-31-2008, 08:38 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Tampa Florida
Posts: 1,037
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beau
Ok, I do not own a G6, CTS, Outlook, Aura, or any other vehicle that uses the LY7 heads. However, after my Passat lease is up, I'm going for an 05 6MT 3.6 CTS... early this spring.
Ok, the quest is to purchase a bare head, and a set of valves, and flow bench them. Then to port them on my own time and dollar, to see what kind of flow we can get out of them, have them reflowed.
I am asking for donations to Paypal for anyone that would be interested in these numbers. I'm well known on other forums and have been around these forums reading up for well over a year, I also use my first name as my screen name. I'm going to a bunch of different forums for the dontation request. I'm not doing this for profit, I'm going to be spending my time porting and driving and negotiating, so we can figure out some hard evidence for head flow numbers.
Cost for bare head: $384.94
Cost for 2 intake/2exhaust valves: ?
Plus shipping costs
Plus material cost for porting
Plus flow bench costs.
So, if I get enough by way of donations, then I'll perform the work. If not, I'll just return the funds. You can PM me or look up my email address if you want to make a donation, I don't know the forum policy on posting something like this, so I don't want to outright post my email address in the forum. Question are welcome. If you have any donations other than funds, like a head, or some used valves that would be very helpful as well.
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Read over the GM powertrain site before you buy, at least one of the 3.6 engines (not sure if it's the direct injected version only or not in the CTS) has extrude honed ports, I just can't remember for the life of me if I read it or saw it on a special or not but I remember it discussing the power gains from it and being surprised that GM would actually go to that extent.
I actually made a note today to contact this company regarding a potential stand alone camshaft phaser that they apparently have in production for possible crossover to the 3900. To get the most out of these engines you have to take advantage of the extra power under the curve available with VVT:
http://www.mastmotorsports.com/catch...ies%20Camshaft
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09-03-2008, 09:10 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Tampa Florida
Posts: 1,037
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Found the info, it's actually the 4.4 SC cadillac motor that has extrude honed exhaust ports. I didn't have the similar engine specific GM document to know for sure whether they used this upgrade on the high end 3.6L.
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09-03-2008, 12:07 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Albany NY
Posts: 26
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Thanks for the help guys. I've had a couple of expensive repairs on my Supra come up recently, so I don't have the extra money to spend on the head right now, however I do have somone that would be willing to flowbench it for us!
Edit:
The "trucks/cross overs" whatever you want to call them had the upgraded heads, they revised the intake and exhaust ports, I'd LOVE to flow both of them to see what the difference would be, perhaps down the road, but right now I'd start with the standard ole 252-255 horse 3.6
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09-08-2008, 02:16 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: pensacola florida
Posts: 532
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Upson
Read over the GM powertrain site before you buy, at least one of the 3.6 engines (not sure if it's the direct injected version only or not in the CTS) has extrude honed ports, I just can't remember for the life of me if I read it or saw it on a special or not but I remember it discussing the power gains from it and being surprised that GM would actually go to that extent.
I actually made a note today to contact this company regarding a potential stand alone camshaft phaser that they apparently have in production for possible crossover to the 3900. To get the most out of these engines you have to take advantage of the extra power under the curve available with VVT:
http://www.mastmotorsports.com/catch...ies%20Camshaft
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very very interesting. thanks for posting your research
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